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KYjon tells the unlikely story of stopping on a heavily travelled two lane bridge to throw a sixty pound piece of steel over the side of a bridge with small craft traffic as well as shipping traffic below. I don't believe the story....OK, my rant is over and I apologize to any posters I may have offended, especially my friend KYjon. Come-on Bill, this is the Internet. Give a guy some slack...errr, let's call it "artistic license." Next thing you know we'll have somebody claiming that they saw him pitch it and they jumped in and claimed salvage. EDM
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Joe,
I don't think a fatigue failure would have all those indications on the hull. Also, a fatigue failure can be revealed by magnified examination of the fracture face. So, my money is on extreme pressure as the proximate cause and I dunno what for the root cause of the high pressure.
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What drives me nuts about these "my gun blowed up" threads is that we never seem to come to any universally accepted cause. Maybe the damascus warning on all those shell boxes we've been ignoring for all these years need to have more attention paid it...Geo
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Just to add a little more to the fire on PW loaders.
At the local gun clubs I frequent ther have been 4 guns blown up in the last 20 years. All have been done with shells reloaded on PW loaders. Not trashing them just stating a fact.
The problem is not with a double powder charge but a double shot charge. Because of the PW having a full length shell resizer it allows for a double shot charge to be placed in the shell. How it gets there is anybodies guess but it can happen.
Double powder is bad but not as bad as double shot.
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There is another guy who has never seen a PW loader, much less loaded a shell on one. Admit it, Subgauge, you have no idea how a PW works and even worse, you don't realize that no shell can take a double shot charge and throwing shot has absolutely nothing to do with a resizer. The truth is "no it can't happen".
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This really looks like an obstruction at the forcing cone, I wonder if the wad without the base was the one before the big bang? The base could have been jammed in the forcing cone. If it had been someone other than Randy I would suggest a 20ga in front of a 12ga type of event.
I learn something every day, and a lot of times it's that what I learned the day before was wrong
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James, RMC said that he was using compression formed STS empties. No base wad problem. Oh my gosh, where am I on this? Let's see, thin walls, double powder, primer in powder, not neccesarily in that order. Damascus old wive's tale, no way. Obviously, an idiot worked on the bores, or, at least the chamber and forcing cone. That could be it. When our friend measures the wall thickness of the forcing cone and chamber, maybe we'll have a better idea.
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RMC, your comment about the static strip and the waxing of the PW parts indicates you are up to speed in the PW department. There is a lot the learn in the PW business and static strips,ground wires and Simonize are very important. I wonder if MEC guys go through all this punishment?
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Lets not forget about the pit that might have caused this root canal..
I've loaded enough on a Ponsness Warren to know they can't double charge shot or powder without human error.
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Joe, you know that even with human error the double shot charge won't even come close to fitting in the shell. You also know that, if the double powder somehow gets in the tube, the double shot is there too. In three hundred thousand plus shells or more, it hasn't happened to me. Thanks for the post.
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