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Miller, I was off a year, it was 1892. http://www.google.com/patents?id=t0V2AAA...nri+pieper+1891 It has to do with the lock up. By 1892 he was producing the Modified Diana, the tubes and monobloc no longer had that step. Here is a 1897 Sears ad showing the modified Diana and talks about screwing the barrels in. They also warn about imitation Pieper guns.  Here is the description from 1881 which makes no mention of threads: http://www.google.com/patents?id=QiBMAAA...as_maxy_is=2008
Through the breech-piece a are bored two conical holes for receiving the two barrels b 1), which are turned or shaped conical—that is to say, thicker on their breech euds than on their muzzles—so as to fit accurately in the said conical holes of the breech-piece. The direction of these conical holes is such that when the barrels are introduced into the holes they meet or touch each other at their muzzle ends, at which extremity they are united by Iheir insertion into the double link c, which tits over the reduced or offsetparts of the barrel ends on the muzzle. On the under side of the barrels the breech - piece a has the extension a', running up the barrels a suitable or desired distance. Near the upper end it has the plug a3, extending up between the barrels and forming a point of attachment for the screw in upper strip. This serves to steady and hold the barrels, and keeps them at just the right distance apart. The open space between the two barrels & &, from the breech end to the double link c,is closed throughout its entire length by means of the two narrow strips d and e. The wider of these strips, d, is placed above the barrels &, forming the prolongation of the strip i of the breech-piece a, to which it is attached by the two screws / g, the other end of it being fastened to the double link c by the screw h. The narrower and smaller strip, e, is placed below the barrels a, and fastened there in a similar or in any convenient manner. Finally, the so-prepared barrels &, breech-piece «, double link c, and strips d e are brazed or soldered together.
It must be understood that the breech-piece a can be used, in combination with the double link c, on double-barreled guns, or only one of these devices may be used, the other or its equivalent then being constructed in another way.
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I had US Patent #488,366 issued Dec 20, 1892 but as it does not apply to bbl joining thought perhaps I was missing one. My old Pieper is marked Modified Diana, has twist bbls screwed into the steel breech & does have a joint in the rib at same location as bbl joint. It has double underbolts & conventional style Doll's Head rib extension. Since Steve's Bayard does not have rib joint, that may not be a good indicator. However the seller stated the bbls "Were not Sleeved" & as a pattern is visable through the bluing I do not believe those to be joined by the Pieper Breech Piece (Mono-Block) method but simply one piece bbls given that appearence. I have not seen a lot of Piepers, but of those I have seen or seen pics of, those marked Modified Diana had the bls stepped down & threaded & screwed into the front of the block with a flush transition, while those marked Original Diana had the step with unthread bbls being inserted into the block from breech.
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I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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Marc if I was looking for a shooter I'd keep looking.
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Homeless,
I'm pretty well broke right now anyway, but I'm interested in the classics. Would you care to elaborate on why I should pass on this gun? This is all pretty new to me(hammer/damascus).
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In old guns Quality follows original price.
There are plenty of guns out there to choose from.
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I know you are right. I'll keep looking.
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At a recent gun show, there was a Pieper hammer gun there that kind of got my interest. The gun locked up solid, the wood was in very good shape and with character. There was allot of engraving on it, though it is by no means high quality engraving. I have sure been tempted to pick it up and take it home at the next gun show. Since I load low preasure anyhow, it would just be another fun gun to have around. Any reason I should not bring it home?
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No reason not to get it if you can pick it up for $350+/-50. Pieper was to guns what Ford was to cars (think Model T).
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I picked up a Modified Diana marked "Pieper Arms Co." at a local gunshop last year. Amongst a whole rack of garden variety doubles the quality of the gun was evident. Used but not abused. Greener crossbolt, twist barrels and of course steel chambers. Have used it quite a bit with 7/8 oz. low pressure loads and am very happy with the gun. I've got some fancier stuff but the Pieper has become my everyday hammergun. Obviously it is a well made gun and not a JABC. One fellow tried to buy it on the spot while I was shooting the hammergun event at the Vintage Cup but I turned him down. Jagermeister is giving good advise.
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Hammergun, me too. Six pounds, one ounce of goodness with 29" barrels. No, you can't buy it.
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