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Brit guns for export do not need to be in proof.
I've seen some Brittish clunkers that couldn't be used as a bong muchless than a sporting arm.

Run With the Fox:

Sorry to dissappoint you but I'm not a Southern Bell. Logon/entry stims from 7-8 character limit at a time when Fortran was King, assembly and Unix were the work-horses when the internet was in its infancy just after the copper punch-card plates. My parents wanted me to sign and seal with a unique first name which originated from a drive-in movie theatre picture show in Mobile, Alabama in the mid to late 1960s. Ellenburg appears to be Anglicized from the Eichelberger folk who got off the boat on the Carolina Coast in the late 18th Century pressing West to take advantage of land patents offered to pay war debt. Taking with them a well founded power systems(hydro & mechanical) knowledge in addition to selling corn by the gallon instead of by the bushel around the Tennessee Valley Divide, just South(Southwest) of Decatur. I'm curious of your origin as from time to time I have to get out my secret cockney decoder cerealbox ring to decipher your posts. Were you a lad around the London gun trade?

eightbore:

I had no intent of singling you out and it was just a general comment on a thread that began as an announcement for an event of interest and in my view turned into a sink the "Charlton Hall Auction" ship. I may have been off-base and possibly way off base. But if I had directed it toward you I would at least refer to you by your stage name.

Also I note George L. as being connected to Charlton Hall but I have no evidence of that. When I have an inquiry I use him as a point of contact and always get a prompt response.

On a side note regarding the compass: if data was collected via a compass to pass ownership, such as a land conveyance, the only legal retracement means is that of the original/period instrument type and then remeasured along the retraced bearing with new/current technology.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Wow! Everyone's playing nice now, including me, and the Charleton Hall auction is getting plenty of publicity if readers are devouring this thread. I wish Charlton Hall and George would put me on the payroll as catalog consultant and answerer of questions because I detest being around home in the period from mid-November to New Years. I also hate to use the telly to inquire about auction guns that interest me. I would much rather have my answers in the description. Good luck, and George, thanks for the invitation. Murphy

Hey Bill, Foxy, Mike, OWD, jOe, Dig, Stan & Raimey: Thanks for almost all of your input. Just as a side, Charlton Hall is presently located in what we call the Vista on Gervais Street (although they have bought property near the Columbia Metropolital Airport and plan to start construction on their new facility early next year). Gervais Street is right in the heart of where Genl. W.T. Sherman did his urban renewal project and still bears some of the scars from that event. For those of you who have never been to Columbia you should take this opportunity to come. here is a new Hampton Inn almost next door to Charlton Hall and loads of good restaurants in the Vista. If you plan to come please let me know so I can get you included for Friday Night with Dig.

Best Regards, George

"Minor pitting" to one guy can look like caverns to the next...I'm not against shooting guns with "minor pitting" I'm just not to inclined to purchase a gun with minor pitting unless it's at a give away price...Especially in a Damascus barreled gun.

A gunsmith friend explained pitting like this to me....Look at 30 thousands on a caliper then look at 15 thousands then try and figure out how to measure the depth of "minor pitting". Most Sellers would have you believe that minor pitting is okay.

it's not at top dollar prices.

I'd rather have a "311" with clean barrels than a London gun with pitted barrels...because once the pitting starts it can't be stopped without polishing it completely out.

I was hoping for a relpy....guess not.

Regarding proof - it is illegal for a gun to change hands in teh UK for money or to be offered for sale if it is not in proof. the seller, not the buyer is the one who commits the offence.

In the past it was an informal practice for dealers (RFDs) and auctioneers to trasfer guns that were out of proof, within the Trade so they could be renovated.

Because some people started taking out-of-proof guns to the US to sell, this practice has been stamped on.

Auctioneers will not now release a gun for renovation if it is out of proof unless they cut the barrels first, making sleeving the only option.It makes no difference if the buyer is from the UK or overseas- the rule applies absolutely.

This has been widely publicised by the police and the Proof houses in the last 15 months or so.

Joe - the "will it make its estimate" question is one that can't be answered until it happens.

Dig....I think I follow you what you're saying.

Example...

If George L sent his 200 remaining SxS's back to England most would have thier barrels cut off...

Lowell you might be onto something with your "bOng" theory.

SmallBore, not so long ago you Brits would sling together your crapped-out guns, like so much firewood and ship 'em over here.
Put a flashlight down the barrel and you'd have a lightshow on your walls. Pitted would be an understatement ol'man!
I've had a Brit single-shot rifle that had a "?" for cartridge - so don't tell me!