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Eh Pancho! Welcome aboard. Over the holiday, you may not get many answers about the musket in the new "hash and bash" forum. Label your question "OT" or "Off Topic" and move it over to the main discussion area. You'll get more response there altho may not be until early next week. If Mr. Weber is taking a hard and fast line on pigeonholing, he'll say so. In the meantime I'd assume it's "other fine firearms" rather than soapbox babble.

jack

I'd say, the sky's the limit ol'rab!
Long as you stay away from a Chamberish-type puke session.
Alotta replies to a well placed OT...no so much with a broken spring hepme hepme.

Thanks Dave, now if you can only keep the drivel inclined in the corral.

The SSBBS was a great place until they got that politics? section on there. It went down in quality pretty fast after that addition.

I frankly don't think this forum is an appropriate place to discuss politics except when it has a potential direct effect on our right to keep and bear arms. I said it before that IMO we're in for some tough times ahead in keeping our firearms rights. We can either all work together in this area or play osterich and hope the gun grabbers will go away.
Jim

You are truly a FOX...now I know that somebody actually reads my drivel...and, yes, First Amendment is correct.

But why does the First Amendment co-mingle the separation of church and state with the freedom of the press?

This is answered in my new book in the context of no book about hunting or shooting being published in the colonies until the British troops were leaving in 1783, and the reputed first book on fishing (ca. 1739) actually being a Cotton Mather-type religious sermon. The colonial Church and Secular censors allowed no printing of material discussing "diversions." The church leaders wanted to squelch recreation for fear that church-goers might enjoy having fun on the sabbath (still can't hunt on Sundays in Virginia). And the civil officials thought there was too much work to be done on Monday through Saturday to allow any screwing off. Thus the "Unholy Alliance" of the church and secular censors led to and was dealt with in a single First Amendment.

We can be thankful that the First Amendment effectively put an end to officious officials preemptively putting the kabosh on websites such as this...but now within the First-Amendment-Protected website itself another evil of quibbling censorship rears its ugly head.

So let's hear it: The information I posted above states that colonial officials of the church and state prohibited the publication of books and pamphlets about guns and hunting in general, which would include, to a certain extent, fowling pieces, some of which had two barrels.

Query: Does this qualify as a proper double-gun topic to slip past the censors? Have I ruffled feathers? Disturbed tender sensibilities?

Can I post such a thing on the "Sabbath?" (Sunday?)

What about Seventh Day Adventists and Jews who do their thing on Saturday?

If Dick Cheney had dusted his hunting pard with a SxS, could we, under the new PC rules discuss it here? But what if he used a splatter-matic?

So to avoid the sharp angle, lawyer that I am, I have crafted a publishing license after the fashion of the religious and secular licenses which were printed as front matter in the 1718 Portuguese book--The Perfect Gun--which I cited above:

Censor's License: After reading the proposed post to a new or existing thread of the doublegunshop.com Forum I/We can see nothing that might offend faith or morality nor is there anything against the laws or regulations, and by subscribing this permission to the proposed posting it shall be considered to have the blessing and approval of the powers that have the say-so as to that which is pure in thought and content, and is well calculated not to burn the eyes of those who crave the straight and narrow path to enlightenment. Subscribed this ___ day of ___, 2008 by the Webmaster himself, or his duly authorized Jive Jobber.

Henceforth I suggest that all proposed posts (1) be sent first to the censor to be screened for purity of content and threshold relevance; (2) Any necessary changes or deletions could be e-mailed to the potential poster; (3) Corrections made and re-submitted; (4) Final draft as approved and Censor's License attached (the censors License could have a cookie enabling posting). Simple! We will be protected. EDM

The problem was threads about guns sliding into posts of ignorance, myths and superstition, an amazing amalgam of politics, religion and jingoism, not to mention an abuse of members. There are no restraining injunctions here on expression or the arcane concerning our fraternity. Dave has discriminated prudently by providing for those who want to explore the esoteric with a special room. The uninitiated will stay where we are. We'll peek in from time to time to see how you're doing.

Well said.

KB: The irony (and humor) of all of this can be gleaned by going back and reading all the posts (yours included) under this thread and then compare them to the cryptic comments by the usual suspects on the "approved" threads supposedly relating to double guns. In the final analysis, very little of what is posted here goes beyond chit-chat and the expression of gut reactions.

My comment about censorship delaying the American publication of books about shotgunning in America until 1783, is the only thing even remotely related to the double-gun experience on these three or four pages of threads. Whether this "literature of our sport" pearl of wisdom is worthy in the context of your profound and incisive analysis, that could be read equally as a diatribe against non-Beanie-Baby content on the beaniebaby.org forum, will, no doubt, be the subject of votes pro and con.

As to "we the uninitiated," do you mean those who have nothing to say but say it anyway? Read any thread and see how many posts could stand alone and be understood as a comment about double guns. This goes with the territory; chit-chat is conversation; unpopular topics die for lack of interest and comment. Think how easy it would have been not to check up on this thread to see what's what...how easy it would be to not respond...let it die...Oh! but that last word....

Just wanted to give my support to Dave's decision!