John, They will never be mistaken as best guns, but every Czech made BRNO I have used, or observed in use, was hell for stout and went bang whenever the trigger was pulled. I have shot a OU combination gun in 12x7x57r, and it was an honest 1.5 inch gun at a hundred yards. On a drive hunt outside of Wurzburg, I had a long discussion with a German hunter who had an O/U with a set of 12x12 tubes and a second set of 9.3x74s. he described the rifle set as his "keiler" (boar) killer. He seemed quite pleased with it.