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Hello all,...I just picked up this W&C Scott, ser # 27011, from what I could find out it was made in 1888,.."Year of the Ripper" ..10 bore 32 ",.. 9 3/4" Lbs
I can hardly make out the engraving on the rib,..it says "W&C Scott & Son Makers & Patentees _ _ i_o_ c Castle_s Street Regent Circus London"
Can anyone tell me what it should read,... as well as what model this is...."Excellentia"?? ...maybe?
It appears to have been converted to a straight hand stock some time ago,...not too bad a job.
I see there are a few for sale at Cabella's but they're not the same,...I believe 3 of them are "Premiers"
Have a look,.. any info would be appreciated

CJ

C.J.

I have a very nice case label that has 10, Great Castle Street,
Regent Circus, LONDON

I have two Scott hammer guns and I really think they are good quality guns.

If you need a label for your gun let me know.

Regards, GOrdon

CJ, I have one identical except for the engraving. I can't get to it for a day or so but I'll check whatever you want. Just by looking at it I don't think it's one of the higer graded ones. Still, Scott guns are well made and I always wanted one with the crystal indicators.

CJ your gun was made in 1880.

check your serial number again. Serial # 27011 should have been made early in 1880 according to Crawford & Whatley's "WC Scott Gunmakers". 1888 would have likley have been in the 43000-44000 range.

The gun and patents do seem to fit a 1884-1888 manufacture B grade Excellentia Triplex (fitted with the Scott triplex lever grip).
That is shown and detailed on pages 42/43 of the same book.
The triplex lever grip (intercepting dolls head) was patented in 1875 and used until about 1892 when it was replaced with an "improved bolt" ie a square greener type crossbolt.

The "block safety" was intercepting seers of the Needham & Hinton patent for back action guns 1879.

According to the example price structure for scott guns ca 1883-1897 Premier was the top quality gun in each of the Hammer/Hammerless bar or back action categories. The Monte Carlo B was the lowest of the bar action hammerless with Excellentia then Unique and Auto Ejector models in ascending grades of bar action hammerless (apparently inclusive of back actions in earlier years).

The higher grade the guns were primarly the more engraving and better wood with a few niceties thrown in for good measure.

The 1893 list price in America for a bar action Excellentia was $250, a Monet Carlo "B" was $200, and a Premier extractor $375. If you wanted a Premier Imperial Ejector it would have cost $475.

The Excellentia Triplex Lever Grip was produced from 1884-1888.
Apprently the Excellentia Switched to a bar action in 1888 and was produced until 1892.

During the late 1880s/1890s Scott made many changes/improvements and switched to bar actions.

Thre is a note that many lower grade back action guns had been marked with the Moore & Harris name,

There is mention hat from 1872 - 1897 Scott marked ONLY the "A" and "B" quality guns with the address ofthe London showroom (10 Great Castle Road, Regent Circus). Most lower quality guns were only marked "London" except for a few specialty guns which had the full address.

Scott graded guns as A, B, C grades with A being highest/full coverage engraving and select wood and C being fairly plane with border engraving and perhaps a bit of light scroll in open areas.

I missed this thread earlier...

Nice gun but I don't see an "Excellentia" grade or a "Triplex Lever Grip".

At one time or another I have owned Scott guns in most grades including, Premier, Excellentia and Monte Carlo B. In my opinion your gun is a W.& C. Scott & Sons, lever-lock grip patent hammerless gun, Described in Scotts catalogue circa 1891 as having a plain finish. The incorporation of a "dogs head" in the lock plate engraving is in my experience, typical of guns of this grade.

I see no indication the gun is a triplex lever grip.

Mike,
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Dustin

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