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Although I love the Model 37, it has a design defect of its own. Too small trigger guard lends to unintentional firing when fast pumping while wearing gloves. The Model 97 is one of the sleekest pumpguns ever designed. With a straight stock and small corncob forend it is a lovely looking gun. Not a bit of bulk as later pumps wear with their pistol grips and fat, ugly forends. It is also one of the best pointing guns ever made (as is the Model 12). Those who don't know what they are about may skin a thumb now and then, but after all, idiots probably shouldn't be allowed the priviledge of owning a pure piece of Americana. The Model 97 is a great classic! And I thank you Mr. Dollar for giving us this wonderful photo of you and a grand American gun! Chopperlump
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"Grandpops" FYI, has a BS-MS from Stanford in Mechanical engineering, a PHD from U Michigan in Aquifer management and is a recently retired professor from U New Mexico. He also owns several British guns some of us would die for, among them a couple of Rigby rifles, a Boss shotgun. Yesterday he shot a minty Williams and Powell.
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I still see Chinese 1897s around here, but only in riot or trench configuration. Unlike original Winchesters they're heavier then hell. I also came across Norinco copy of Ithaca 37/87 imported by some outfit in Ga whos name escapes me. These guns are out there.
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My first guess was retired investment banker. Oops, I was wrong again.
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Some of the sleekest lines.....Mod 12 and 97 are equal aesthetically?  
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Last Dollar,
Thanks for that great pic. The 97 (Trap grade in particular),1887 and 1901, Browning A5, Burgess and Spencer are about the only repeaters that I consider to be on par with a double gun.
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Roberto, I'm starting new topic just for you today it's about interesting ole' design on par with that modern Canadian/Austrian SxS bolt gun. 
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Was there a "Black Diamond Trap" '97?
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Certainly. They (the Pigeon Grade 'Black Diamonds') even occasionally came highly engraved with a box pigeon scene on one receiver flat and a bird hunting scene on the other (the right, port side, if memory serves). Nicely matted barrel top surface, XXX grade American checkered walnut to die for, and assorted extras. The very earliest ones were available with Damascus barrels upon request. Many of the 'Trap' grades simply have 'Trap Gun', I believe, engraved on the side of the bolt. Maybe Don Moody will come along with more clarification....
Bob
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Pre WWII trap guns, pigeon guns, and some tournament guns had "black diamonds" on the grips. To add to the confusion some trap pieces didn't have 'TRAP GUN' stamped on the breech block. You're not likely to find many such guns as this was primarily "pro-marsh" and "trench" piece.
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