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King Brown #119607 11/02/08 09:40 PM
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On another forum, a person called the company to complain that he thought the firing was unjustified (although he thought it was justified). The gal on the phone told him (He won't be far away!). Sounds like a trick to keep sales from tanking.

Now anyone can vote for anyone they wish, but the public can use any justification they wish for their actions. We have fought against the gun grabbers and socialists all my life. The fight goes on.

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"Suppose the president of the NAACP made a donation to the Ku Klux Klan PAC... "


....or Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood, donated to McCain?



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"Firing an employee, director or executive of a company for making a political donation would heap so much opprobrium on a company that it would provide a different result from that intended at Cooper Arms."

Perhaps you don't remember what happened at Smith & Wesson after that fool they had for a President at that time caved in to the Clinton Administration demands on "gun control".
There was a mass boycott by consumers and firearms shops were relinquishing there S&W dealerships. Only after S&W got rid of him and recanted their position did their sales come back.
Just who do you think will make up for lost sales at Cooper? Left wing liberal gun grabbers?
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The 2nd Amendment IS an unalienable right.
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Donating to a political party, considered an act of citizenship, is different from supporting a racist organization repudiated by civil society. But let's take the politics out of it. Where was the respect for Dan Cooper as a person? For his humanity? We show respect for each other by respecting their power to choose their own paths in life. My friends embrace many political, religious, ethnic persuasions. Should they be discriminated against for tithings, donations, worship or activities different from ours or not having our approval? I don't know how it works in the US but it would violate our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

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He has a right to donate to or endorse any candidate he chooses, just like the Dixie Chicks had a "right" to badmouth our President in another country. Cooper's customers and the Dixie Chicks' customers darn well have the right to boycott them and show their displeasure any legal way we see fit.
I will agree that you "don't know how it works in the US".


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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Donating to a political party, considered an act of citizenship, is different from supporting a racist organization repudiated by civil society. But let's take the politics out of it. Where was the respect for Dan Cooper as a person? For his humanity? We show respect for each other by respecting their power to choose their own paths in life. My friends embrace many political, religious, ethnic persuasions. Should they be discriminated against for tithings, donations, worship or activities different from ours or not having our approval? I don't know how it works in the US but it would violate our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


Where did you get the idea from my post that Smith & Wesson is "a racist organization repudiated by civil society"?? or that I would EVER support this type of organization? There must be some other Smith & Wesson beside the firarms manufacturrer I've never heard of. After that point I'm even further lost as to precisely what point(s) you are trying to make.
Jim

Since you are apparentely clueless here's S&W agreement and Gun Owners of Americas response:



(Tuesday, March 21, 2000) -- Last week's "agreement" between Smith & Wesson and the Clinton Administration will undoubtedly be remembered as one of the most regretful episodes in the modern Right to Keep and Bear Arms movement. The firearms manufacturer's lamentable decision to "settle" with the most anti-gun Administration in history cannot go without a pointed response by all those who seriously cherish and believe in the God-given right of individual self defense.

The so-called settlement between Smith & Wesson and the Departments of Treasury, Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and local and state governments is more a nationalization of the British-owned firm which now, for the sake of accuracy, should be renamed the "The Clinton & Wesson Corporation." (More on this in just a moment.)

The Clinton Administration has achieved nearly every outrageous demand in its original lawsuit without having to prove its case in a court of law. This sellout agreement creates an "Oversight Commission" that will include four government officials (one from the BATF) and a Smith & Wesson executive.

The Clinton & Wesson commission will have the power of law to enforce gun control upon any gun dealer that sells S&W products and upon any gun owner that buys from such a dealer!!! This is European fascism at its best, and is much more draconian than what has been reported in the media. Consider just some of the highlights:

Restrictions On Individual Gun Owners
* Gun rationing: Any gun dealer that carries S&W products can NOT sell you two handguns on the same day... or during the same week!!! (No more than one handgun during a 14-day period.)
So let's get this straight: a total gun ban in England has neither stopped 3 million illegal guns from getting into criminal hands nor stopped their crime rate from exceeding ours. But somehow gun rationing here is going to keep criminals from getting guns.
* Mandatory gun owner registration: A S&W dealer will not be able to sell any of his guns at a gun show unless ALL of the sales at the show -- including private sales -- are run through a registration background check. Why does the Clinton administration want to know who every gun buyer is?
* Mandatory training requirements: You will not be able to buy a gun from a S&W dealer unless you have put your rights on hold for however long it takes to complete a certified training course. Hopefully, someone you know will never try to buy their first gun to protect themselves from a stalker or abusive spouse. Because now, dealers carrying S&W products cannot sell that person a self-defense gun until that person jumps through the Clinton & Wesson hoops.
Restrictions On Gun Dealers
* Mandatory employee training. This would require all employees of dealers and distributors to attend mandatory ATF approved training. Thus, dealers who have had a business for 20 years will now need to send their employees to the federal government for indoctrination.
* Dealer entrapment. The agreement requires persons under 18 to be accompanied by adults either in gun stores covered by this agreement or in the gun sections of those stores. So the next time Wal-Mart lets those pesky 17-year-olds walk near the gun section of its store, look out! An ATF agent may jump out from behind the camo rack and bust the employees for not carding the juveniles and keeping them out.
* BATF harassment provision. This agreement gives the new Oversight Commission (including its BATF representative) unfettered access into gun dealers' stores -- more so than is currently allowed by federal law. Any time it wants, the BATF can reach its dirty hand into the dealer's records and gain "access to documents necessary to determine compliance."
According to the official summary found on HUD's website, this agreement is "enforceable as a court order and as a contract." You may have heard on the news about some of the "anti-safety" devices that S&W has agreed to include on their weapons -- trigger locks, smart gun technology, etc. These are anti-safety devices that will cost innocent lives if they are imposed upon the public. After all, if they truly were safety devices, then why does the Clinton and Wesson agreement exempt law enforcement and the military from having these items on their guns?

For these reasons and more, Gun Owners of America is urging its near quarter of a million members and all those committed to a NO COMPROMISE position in regard to the Second Amendment to disassociate themselves from the firearms manufacturer and BOYCOTT all Smith & Wesson products.

This is a serious and dramatic step and one which we had never envisioned taking. We are aware of the "extortionary" pressure that Smith & Wesson was under from the maniacal Clinton-Gore Administration and the costly legal struggle that it faced. However, to defeat such a vicious and cunning opponent requires courage and perseverance, not capitulation.

In taking this step, we are adopting our forefathers' example, who also boycotted those merchants who willfully collaborated with British authorities against the interests of their fellow Americans. In fact, Smith & Wesson's decision is not that altogether surprising coming from a foreign country that has been so hostile to the private ownership of firearms.

In sum, Smith & Wesson has done serious and irrevocable damage to the entire 2nd Amendment movement. Such action is no longer worthy of gun owners' support or patronage. We hope our loyal and patriotic membership concurs. Just as important, it is hoped that this action will dissuade other firearms manufacturers and related industries from abandoning the struggle against the assaults by the Clinton Administration on our unalienable rights.

ACTION:
* GOA urges all of those who are deeply troubled with Smith & Wesson's decision to voice their protests and concerns directly


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King my friends are diverse also. The dynamics of free enterprise are such that when one offends one's customer base there are going to be financial repercussions. Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks for all practical purposes ended the groups career by speaking politically in a way that offended her customer base. Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old girl cousin and offended his customer base and his earnings went way down.

You can vote for who you want in the privacy of a polling booth but for what you do publicly you can be held accountable for in the private markets.

There are endowments and trusts that don't invest in non-green companies. There were universities that pulled all their money out of South Africa during Apartheid.

And as long as we have strayed into Canadian free speech I believe at least one person has been prosecuted in Canada for arguing that the Holocaust didn't take place. Of course it did take place but I find it puzzling that yall can't trust yourselves to figure out for yourselves the truth, thus making it necessary to criminalize his arguing his belief.

Free speech should be protected from the government. And Mr. Cooper wasn't jailed or tarred and feathered or lynched or pilloried by the private market forces, he was just fired. He is free to get another job.

Best,

Mike

Edit - Didn't your Holocaust Denyer get convicted? Of a felony?

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King old boy, it's about money. Ya, the BOD can let it go, say that it is his rights. And it is. But they have something else in mind, even more important, and that is the ability to be solvent as a company and individuals. If the money quits coming in everybody is going to be out looking for a job. Not their rights...

If you're making bagel's in a macaroon shop, do so, but don't shout it to the world, unless that your sure that you want the world to know.

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Should they be discriminated against for tithings, donations, worship or activities different from ours or not having our approval? I don't know how it works in the US but it would violate our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


Well King, I guess I'm a bigot by Canadian standards. I don't do business with any other company that I know to be anti-gun, either, nor do I patronize businesses and organizations that are anti-hunting. If enough other shooters do the same, it's possible to force a few (like Smith & Wesson) to change their tune...and that change of direction usually necessitates some heads rolling. It's called free enterprise, and Cooper's BOD either gets it, or they don't. If they don't, the stockholders - the people the board is there to protect - AND the employees suffer because of one principal's callous disregard of the rights of the company's patrons, rights that he knew most of the patrons are sensitive about.

And BTW, I don't consider political contributions automatically "an act of citizenship", especially if they're to a candidate that opposes the Constitution.


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