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Perforations are somewhat context-dependent. I get about 4-5 perfs/25 shells when I use Rios in 16 ga RGLs. I have several 16 ga M-12s and they all do this. I haven't had a Rio perf in AAs or STSs fired in my 12 ga 391.......guess where the rest of my Rios are going to be used.

Cheddites don't seem to perf as often as that. Fiocchis are better, get me maybe 1 perf/sleeve. I have yet to have a Wolf 209 perf (4000 so far), and they are dimensionally closer to domestic primers than the others. The Wolf primer cap is almost as hard as those Rem GL and GC factory primers.

Sam

Lots of good info, as always. My PW parts supplier suggests using Remington primers because they are more rounded on the front end and seat easier than the Winchesters. Agree or disagree?
Thank you all

Jim,
I use Winchester, Remington and Cheddite primers and see no difference in how they seat. I do have a problem with my hammer guns punching a hole in the Cheddite primers, but never with a hammerless gun. But I don't shoot Brownings either.

Jim, I've heard that from more than one PW user. They hate my 'damn Winchester primers' just because their expensive machines won't easily seat them. Nolo probolemo in my inexpensive MEC equipment.

I kind of like the idea that the Cheddites are stepped. I manually place the primers and they do start very easy, every once in a while with others that are not stepped you will get a jerking motion on the handle because the primer wasn't exactly centered in the hole.
I don't reload nearly as much as I did years ago when using a Mec 650 with the auto primer feed. Now I mostly use Mec 600 Mark V's and mostly roll crimp short 16's and 20's for older guns.

My case, exactly. I have used MEC Grabbers for decades until I fell into a deal on PW loaders that I couldn't refuse. While they are very good machines, they have their own whole set of problems and finickinesses (is that a word?)
Thanks,

I believe STS209s feed more reliably even from a MEC progressive. I almost always load by the hundred for the obvious reasons. I don't have to watch Remington primers. I do have to watch the Winchesters or about twice per hundred they skade past the reprime well or flip over. Perhaps the taper or stepping and the radiused end of the body help the Remingtons seat easier than W209s but I've never noticed this to be the case. I also like STS hulls now that they're the only compression formed game in town.

jack

I believe STS209s feed more reliably even from a MEC progressive. I almost always load by the hundred for the obvious reasons. I don't have to watch Remington primers. I do have to watch the Winchesters or about twice per hundred they skade past the reprime well or flip over. Perhaps the taper or stepping and the radiused end of the body help the Remingtons seat easier than W209s but I've never noticed this to be the case. I also like STS hulls/Game Club/even the black hulls now that they're the only compression formed game in town.

jack

Skating past the priming station sounds like you have a MEC 9000G, ist nicht so?

The Remington 209 is a fine primer, except for two little problems. First, they have a supply issue. Sometimes they are simply unavailabe for months at a time. Second, they currently cost 25 bux a sleeve more than Win 209's. There seems to be no reason for either.

I gave up on CCI primers years ago when I was shooting mainly 1100's at skeet. There seemed to be hot stuff still coming out of the shells when ejected. This was most uncomfortable even when using good shooting glasses. Some sort of hot gas issue I didn't have when using Winchester primers.

The Cheddite also has the dishonor of being the only cap I ever had fire while seating. There was nothing under it, but the old 650 I had then was sticky and the last part of the stroke was pretty fast. I did get rid of the 650, but also got rid of the Cheddites.

My new 20ga Grabber is slick as can be... it loves WW209's.