thanks for all of the input, Dave Trevallion told me this was the place to go for info. I will find out Mon. which maker, the gun is not marked with manufacturer. My guess is zabala but we will see. It is an snst but I don't recall if it was stocked to the fences. It is color case as well. I'll keep you posted. I originally was looking for a .410 cz to play around with on woodcock but i found this and thought it may make a nice companion for a 28 matador I bought last year, you see I have twin 13yo sons who started carrying guns and woodcock hunting last year! Thanks again