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I don't believe it was a 12 on an O frame. It's a 1 or larger frame. Regardless I'd have a hard time coughing up $1,500 for a gun with the issues you mention. If you buy it, you'll own it for a long time.

Judging by Mr. Craxon's arguements and refusal to accept sound advice from Parker experts, he should probably go ahead and pay the $2500 or whatever he needs to pay in order to obtain such a fine old representative piece of. . . whatever. . .

Many of us heve seen 0-frames that are heavier than the same sixteen gauge on a 1-frame - value being in the weight and handling of an upland gun, not in the number stamped on the lug, IMHO

Since we're giving opinions....I'll give mine in that the 0 frame 16 is one of the biggest Parker 'myths' there is.

Why? First, the 1 frame is probably the best sized Parker frame of all in terms of dimensions and how it fits in the adult hand. Second, as mentioned, the weight of many a 1 frame is less than, or no more than, many a 0 frame gauge for gauge. The 0 frame 16 is all about sex appeal rather than actual merit.

I still suspect a lot of the guys who clamor for an 0 frame 16 are the same ones who also like to moan about too-light guns and recoil.

Geo. Newbern - Thanks, I agree that it has no collector value. "Whats it worth to me"? I've stated what i thought, but I'm still not buying the gun either.

GregSY - You need to re-read the thread. I never said gun was a 12ga. on a 0 frame. Thank You!

Dam 16SXS - Never refused anyones advice from Parker experts. Mostly i agree with everyone. Also i never said what i would pay. I did say what the dealer was asking.

So, to clear the air here! I appreciate everyones advice and i won't be taking the plunge on this one. What i failed to get across in the tread is i wanted to know: 1) why a set of sleeved barrels that make a gun non original any different than(like i said before)a gun that has been cut and or a pad added to a gun that had a spurred butt plate or a skelton plate. From eightbores expert advice(which i do agree he proabably is)the gun will never go up in value because of the sleeved barrels. Okay, will that same gun with a cut barrel from 30" down to 28" and no choke suffer the same? This is the question that didn't get discussed and the reason for the continued reply.

Cut barrel Parkers suffer severe losses in value, are of little interest to collectors. Cut stock Parkers suffer some significant value loss but can still be of interest to collectors. Sleeved Parkers are of no interest to collectors. They are usually of no interest to shooters either because the sleevers usually use tubes that are much heavier than original Parker tubes in the interest of safety and interchangability. Sleevers buy one thickness of tube so it will fit all. That one size is usually "thick". A friend once bought a 28 gauge sleeved Parker that weighed about seven pounds. It was a cute little thing and he would like to have it back for the $500 he sold it for. I would like to have it too.

Many Parkers left Meriden or Ilion with a pad rather than a DHBP or a SKBP - it was the choice of the person who ordered the gun and if a research letter supports a pad then there is no loss in value. However, on a D or higher grade that has a SKBP, so much the better as far as value is concerned.

Barrels that have been cut 2" or less are acceptable for shooters (not for collectors) but if they have been cut 3" you can safely presume there is no choke at all. Original Parker Bros. chokes begin more than 3" from the muzzle, sometimes 4" or a little more so a 2" cut may still be okay for some shooting.

Sleeved barrels, as eightbore alluded, are usually the "kiss of death" for a Parker.

Comparing American sleeved barrels with British sleeved barrels is like comparing a model 24 with a Purdy. In short, much more finely done.

Ah - thank you gentleman! Finally we are on the same page, somewhat. I don't claim to be a Parker expert, but now I have a better understanding of whats exceptable in Parker collecting. All that said, i wasn't talking about a collector quality gun. But a shooter.

Cheers

Not my gun and am in no way connected, but here is an O frame 16 for much less (so far). Barrels have been reblued, but at least not sleeved.

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=110677585

Here is one that is sleeved (hopefully the one youre looking at wasnt done by him), and from what other work Ive seen of his, I would run as fast as possible from this one!

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=110585585

And if the gun youre looking at is as poorly sleeved as this one, they wont bring $100 even if they are a 16ga O frame

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=109418672

Greg, I think all guns are laden with myth because of who we are and what we do. I started with a double JABC more than 65 years ago and went to the autos on moving to the city and a steady job.

Forty years ago I was given a Parker twist16 hammer 0 frame by the widow of an old friend. I had heard Parkers were prized guns but had never seen one. To me, the Parker seemed to levitate like magic in my hands, and I was back to doubles.

Over the years nothing has dissuaded me from the notion that for me---six foot, 218---the little Parker has a balance and feel like no other gun in my cabinet. My son on first hunt, first shot dropped a black duck at 35-40 yards with it.

A gun with sex appeal is stretching it a bit for me, Greg.

craxon....Why don't you give us this guy's contact information. And we'll shower him with an abundance of correspondence; revealing to him that his shotgun pricing has no relationship with reality... Grant.