TT I have settled on a load of around 21gr 800x ,1oz shot,SG16 wad in a 2 3/4 hull, Federal Purples or Fiochi hulls. Pressure supposed to be +- 7k, mild recoil.....seems effective. BTW hunting those sandhills around Thedford is the most strenous (sp)upland gunning I have ever done. I love it, gets me in shape for elk season! Going back next week....Miller, Lefever never really closed, Dan is in hiding with Elvis!