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Last edited by Run With The Fox; 08/28/08 08:32 AM.
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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The action of the gun has nothing to do with this tragedy. The action of the SHOOTER has everything to do with it.
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Kerryman is it now- and would that have been a relative of the infamous Limey Lord Boycott?? Nope, it's John Carden from http://www.tntcarden.com/tree/ensor/CardenOrigins.htmlThe life of John Rutter Carden of Barmane Castle, Tipperary, Ireland is an interesting one. Born in 1811, Carden gained the castle when he came of age. The estate had been neglected and the Irish tenants had long paid no rent and were not about to pay now. Landlord killing was then common, and his tenants tried repeatedly to kill him, without success. Carden's nickname became, "Woodcock," because, like that bird, he was hard to hit. He even overpowered two would-be assassins, marched them to jail, and had them hanged. The castle was remade to withstand assaults, which followed, with the castle successfully defended in even floor-by-floor combat. The tenants admitted that "Woodcock" Carden was a reasonable landlord; they simply wanted to pay no rent. Carden had a swivel-mounted cannon among his attack-resisting weapons. Then, in his forties, "Woodcock" Carden became an Irish hero, to his tenants and others. He fell in love. The girl, Eleanor Arbuthnot, was only 18, and an heiress. "Woodcock" fell totally and hopelessly in love. He was also under the delusion that she loved him, and only the family, supposedly holding her prisoner, kept her from declaring her love. He pursued her in Ireland, England, and abroad; he tried to "rescue" her and was tried and convicted of kidnapping. Meanwhile, he impoverished himself; Ireland sang songs about him, and his tenants were proud of him! For many years one song, "Carden's Wild Domain," was very popular in Ireland. Carden died in 1866. As for Eleanor, she never married.
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The simple truth is that every year a certain number of people must get shot due to the law of averages. ... Then I prefer it were not me.
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First, there is no such thing as a "law of averages". There might be theories of probability. However, if everyone kept their muzzles pointed in a safe direction at all times, there would be NO accidental shootings. None, nada, zip, zero. The shooting might be accidental. The fact that it hit a person was no accident. That was negligence and improper gun handling. The unfortunate idiot responsible should have not come off the station without clearing the "jam" and emptying the gun. The shootee/dad and the others should have seen to that.
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Interesting story Kerryman.
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Well, I talked to the guy who was accually pulling for the people who had the accident. He really didn't have too much to say about the whole ordeal(understandably, not a thing you want to keep hashing over and over) Both of these guys were very well known and were great guys. I have only been shooting there for about 2 months and don't know if I met them or not. Sounds like a terrible chain of events. As it stands now, father has no feeling from the waist down, but has hopes that in a few weeks after swelling goes down maybe some feeling will come back. My prayers are with the family for a full recovery and let's all be careful out there. Tom
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Jim Legg, sorry Sir, I didn't say the action had anything to do with the shooting, I merely said I don't like them on a clay range (or anywhere for that matter  ) best, Mike
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I agree Mike, but I saw an opening and I took it, anytime I have a chance to 'dog' repeaters I take it!!!
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Part of the responsibility lies with those who do not immediately correct someone on the range for poor gun handling. Had an older shooter, with an auto, who considered it safe to carry his auto in a horizonal position, letting the muzzle swing throughout the squad and everyone else around the area. No one in his group said anything to him and the puller was a teenager without experience to intervene. I walked over from behind the range, called him aside and corrected him which was not taken kindly at all. He retorted the gun was unloaded with the action open. He persisted in this manner so I called in the range master and had him straighten up the issue. Don't tolerate indifferent gun handling or you become part of the problem.
Another common unsafe practice is the guy who loads up while approaching the shooting position at skeet or sporting clays, or having an unused round in his gun moves off the station before fully unloading. Rules are meant to protect us. Enforce them. I think Jerry's post bears repeating. Sometimes we like to come in at the end of a long thread and skip reading some of the earlier posts. This terrible tragedy is the fault of unsafe gun handling, period. Not the fault of the gun action type or gauge. Please let it serve to remind us all to NOT ALLOW unsafe practices to go unchallenged. Most of us prefer to avoid confrontations. However, be the "bad guy" and let the violator know what he's doing wrong. You might just save someone's life. In most cases, the person you correct will know you were right and often come back and thank you, after his feathers lay back down. SAFETY IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS. BELIEVE IT AND LIVE IT.
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