They are still the best value on the market for the money and can be found almost anywhere. Our local gun show in NoVa over the weekend had at least half a dozen good Grade 1 SP 12 gauges in trap and field configuration right around $1500-$2K range depending on finish and some really neat early 20 gauges for $2250-2500. I don't think you can buy a better built gun anywhere, regardless of price. As for the Citoris, they are totally different guns but are completely bullet-proof so far as performance goes. Inexpensive, ultimately reliable good shooters that you can find anywhere for very reasonable prices. Unlike the Supers, they will handle steel for waterfowl hunting, which is a huge plus in our neck of the woods. KBM