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I think "almost in a state of fusion" and the "bloom" pic I posted explains things to my pea brain. The iron and steel remain separate by the linear appearance of Stub Twist (refinished by Paul Stevens)



In Laminated Steel, the iron and steel appear to have been mixed in a molten state. I think these are hO jOe's barrels

Drew:

I think you have it but the circular pattern has quasi-linear seperation. The puddling always leads to a psychedelic state. The first is the result of a later mechanical process while the latter stems from a mixing during the changing of the state. Upon first glance, the ribs have some similar features.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

doc, when were the first machine hammered barrels made?

binko

"As discussed, the Belgians routinely called Twist "Laminated Steel" This is the first English gun I've seen so marked."

I think the Belgians to refer to the strict definition of laminated: "composed of or built in this sheets or layers, as of fabric, wood, plastic, etc., that have been bonded or pressed together, sometimes under heat"

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

"psychedelic state" ?!? Pharmacologically induced?

I'm sorry binko- this is all that I know about that dangerous new fangled fluid steel stuff

Timetable for the development of fluid steel:
1. The Bessemer and open hearth processes were first used in 1855.
2. Krupp employed 7000 men making "Fluss Stahl" in 1864.
3.The Martin process was discovered in 1865.
4. Sir Joseph Whitworth's adaptation of Bessemer's principle of hydraulic pressure casting was patented in 1874.
5. James Purdey Pair Nos. 10614-10615 were delivered January 1, 1880 barreled with the "New Whitworth Fluid Pressed Steel". Lefever Arms Co. offered Whitworth steel for the Optimus in 1887, Parker Bros. on an AH in 1894, and L.C. Smith for the Monogram and A2& 3 in 1895.

From the Beretta Museum, circa 1590. The anvil was a traditional design.


Which became this water wheel powered hammer, circa 1650 Jan Brueghel the Younger, Venus at the forge of Vulcan.


Eventually, it became this steam powered hammer, circa 1850. The picture is much later, circa 1890.


None of this had anything to do with damascus vs fluid.

Here are Belgian barrel makers forge welding damascus, circa 1924. The anvil here has been specialized for barrel makers. It contains groves to better manipulate a barrel.


Every time I have seen the word "bloom" used, it is referring to metal in a molten state. So is this auther saying that a random mixing of iron and steel was being used? I have no idea what the difference could be between a molten state and "fusion". Did the author ever witness this process?

Pete

Those laminated steel barrels are beautiful, almost similar to chain damascus. I can't wait to see exactly what kind of twist my new Lefever has. I'm getting excited! I just sent the check off today.

Mark: you can see some nice Lefever and Baker damascus barrels here http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/18020839

Thanks for that info, to both of ya'll, I didn't realize it started so early in the production of barrels. Were these machine hammered ones considered to be of less quality than the ones that were hand forged? I'm sure they were probably cheaper, but I am asking specifically about the quality.

thanks again,
binko

I don't shoot damascus. My head might look like it has worn out two bodies, but I still like it intact!