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Not directed toward anyone in particular, but I can't understand why posts inquiring about gun laws keep popping up here. Questions primarily about shipping, but others from time to time about transfers, assorted legalities.

We are not the people to ask. You may say, and may be right, that even the folks at ATF can't make sense of some laws, can't give you a straight answer. But at least if you get a wrong answer from them, and take the time to document who gave you that answer and when, you might be covered.

But if you run into trouble with a transfer or the like, what are you going to tell the authorities, "but, Recoil Rob on gunshop.com said it was OK...". I don't think that's going to be much help.

Do yourself a favor next time you have a question, call ATF or whoever your local jurisdiction is, write down the number you called, the time you called, the name of each person you speak with along with their extension, and the answer you get. Doesn't matter what's said here then, your ass is covered.

As to pics... you guys are some of the smartest guys I know, in person or online. I'm sure many of you started businesses, or are very successful in your chosen fields.

No one here is too "dumb" to learn how to post their own pictures. There's a tutorial provided by Dave, it's a simple procedure. Yet, I keep reading posts in which the author declares himself to be too inept to post his own pics. Too lazy is more appropriate.

I feel better. I turned 53 yesterday, maybe that's it...

Happy Birthday Recoil Bob;

Welcome from another '55 baby. I agree with calling the ATFBE. It has kept me from getting in trouble when I thought I knew the answers.

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Happy birthday Rob, and well said. Questions like that are asked, I believe, because people are basically lazy. The correct answers are easily found here: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faqindex.htm

Some of the answers offered on the forum are wrong. Some of the answers given by FFL holders are also wrong.

I have much more confidence in an answer based on BBS members' actual experiences than one I get from the bureaucrats or combing the regulations. In my experience what the regs say, what they really mean, and what really is enforced rarely coincide.

I have a BS in mechanical engineering, have owned my small business for 26 years, text message, and own and operate a Blackberry. I had a very difficult time learning how to post pictures here. I can and do post pictures here now but the steep learning curve for me is still a fresh memory.

Rob I was also shipped in 1955 and happy birthday.

Best,

Mike

Rob-
As a member that just posted a specific Handgun/FFL/Shipping question to this board, let me respond. I don't feel that I was lazy in doing so. My friend had spent multiple phone calls to the manufacturer and a few nights browsing the ATF, PA, and NY government sites all with very confusing and conflicting results. That's when he contacted me.. We both concluded that the safest way would be to have the selling dealer handle both send and receive transactions. BUT.....
All I was asking of this very knowledgeable board was if anyone had experienced a similar situation......and what their opinions were...(which BTW they did very well)
We all, at times, have to bite out collective lips when a new person asks the 'What's my grandfather's gun worth' question..but how we handle these types of questions encourage new members to join us and keep this board lively.
You've got over 2600 posts on this board and you just turned 53...As a 'Senior' member of this board I hope you remain tolerant of what you consider 'lazy' questions..
BTW... Happy Birthday....-Doug

Guys, thanks for the good wishes.

Mike, the learning curve may have seemed steep but I hope the sense of accomplishment was also.

Doug, thanks for the kind words. It wasn't my intention to single anyone out.

In any case I never said people who asked questions about FFL's and such were lazy. I said I didn't understand why they take a chance with info from here when they could get it from the people who matter, the appropriate authorities. I agree with you about the "What's my shotgun worth questions?" adding new life to the board. It's that I don't want someone to get in trouble with the law because of something they read here. It's one thing to buy a bad pair of shooting glasses on advice gotten here, totally another to violate state or federal laws.

However, I did say guys that say they're too dumb to post their own pictures are lazy though.

And Doug, please don't call me 'Senior' , not for a couple more years at least.

I also said "people are basically lazy" and I'll stand on that observation. No serious offense is intended toward anyone here. I'm also a member of "people". It's easier to ask someone else for information than to dig it out for yourself. But you also run the risk of getting a lot of misinformation. The answers on the ATF's FAQ are clear and understandable to me. Certainly as clear as some answers that show up here. And they are the "just the facts, ma'am".
A very common question is: Is an FFL required on both ends of an interstate sale? Responder A says "yes". Responder B says "no". Who you gonna believe? The ATF FAQ's will give you the correct answer. My local gunsmith/FFL believes an FFL is required on both ends if buying from a dealer but if the sale is between private parties, NO FFL is needed. He's wrong on both counts! (Interstate sales)
I know a few states have their own additional idiot additional regulations.

At the risk of getting jumped on here, I need an answer for a friend. He wants to ship a handgun from CA to another state. He knows an FFL needs to recieve it. What he doesn't know is who will ship it, him not being an FFL himself.

(B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?[Back]


A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]



(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? [Back]


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

See how easy that was?

It's also my understanding that the USPS will ship a handgun, if it goes from FFL(LICENSED DEALER) to FFL.

You can read the postal regs here: http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_003.html