Thanks Walt- I haven't shot registered targets in years-but in "the day" I saw quite a few altered trap guns, Ithaca SBT's and the M12 that I favor- : Morgan pads, release triggers, spliced on combs, cheek pieces, custom choke jobs- anything I guess to gain a few more targets-I never saw a Smith or Fox SBT- most of the vintage SBT's I saw were the Ithaca- how much difference mechanically is there between the great Knickerbocker $E and the previous model- as you ID'd here for us?? RWTF

"The field is the touchstone of the man"..