Lets just say since we lost forks like Gaddy, Wise, Ruppel,... this board isn't what it used to be.

PS. I like HJ, at least he knows a klunker when he sees one.
OK Jagermeister, being relatively new here, I'm wondering why the gentlemen you cite are no longer with this forum. I am sincerely hoping it wasn't because they didn't like the occasional off topic remark, a little levity, or even a bit of harmless jabbing. I worry about folks who take themselves and the world around them too seriously. I think, (and science supports this) that this leads to a process of slow self digestion that accelerates aging and onset of diseases. Live, love, laugh... it works. As an example, about 6 yrs. ago I was under a lot of stress at work but thought I was dealing with it. In September I started getting a pain and knot in my upper back between my shoulder blades. It was bad in the morning and got worse as the day went on, and nothing I took or tried helped. Come October I feared this was going to ruin my hunting season and certainly affect my shooting, so I went to a doctor. He prescribed Valium as a muscle relaxer plus an anti inflammitory prescription. Two weeks later I was just as bad if not worse. I painfully and reluctantly went ahead with my plans, loaded my truck and went to the Camp for a grouse hunt. Rose the next morning at dark-thirty and it hurt to cook breakfast. Carrying my light Lefever 16 up the hills and through the grapevine tangles was a chore and a few practice mounts and swings were painful. After a couple hours the frost burned off and the sun lit the fall leaves, I noticed a strange sensation. The knot in my back was melting. By noon it was gone and I sure wasn't taking the Valium while carrying a gun. Honest to God, being there and doing what I loved did what a doctor and the best muscle relaxer known to man couldn't do. The same level of physical exertion a few days earlier made me miserable. Now it was gone and it never came back. I learned something that day, and now when I feel stressed, I know of a treatment that works with no side effects. Probably less costly too, even including the price of the shotgun. And that's how we get back ON topic.