You may be right, eightbore, but on the Model 12s that Simmons made for Winchester, they weren't marked. Winchester didn't let them. So, if you see a Model 12 with the name Simmons on the side, you know it is an aftermarket for sure. And there goes the neighborhood. So, who wants any Winchester with a big ugly Simmons name stamped on the side of the rib? (So,you can't tell if it is original) Probably that used car saleman who stuck his sticker on every bumper he could. YUK!!