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Barrelbrowner;
Many of the same formulas can be used for either browning or blacking by the simple act of boiling after rusting or not. The boiling actually helps to loosen the non-adhereing rust so carding is actually easier in the blacking process. You might just first try your favorite formula before getting another, may find no need to acquire an extra.


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Barrelbrowner,
I think Miller is right about the black/white damascus pattern finish. Give your tried and true process a try first, with the simple addition of boiling after the rusting.

After reading all the material and articles by several people and attempting this myself, I will say that some points were still unclear to me and it took a good many attempts over a few yrs for me to discover what process basics are needed. While I have only accomplished it on a sample of a barrel, I found a few things below.

1. It finally struck me that the etch bath of ferric chloride needs to be diluted quite a bit. This ratio/strength is unclear in all the material I read. I started with a 40% strength FeCl circuitboard etchant. This is the "full strength" of the commercially available circuitboard etchant. After messing with this over a few yrs, leaving it alone after a number of failures and coming back to it, I finally figured/tested to arrive at a 6 parts water to 1 part commercial circuitboard etchant (already diluted to a 40% strength). This is probably the most important thing that needed clarifying to me.

2. Approach the process just like regular barrel blacking/blueing. Use your favorite blacking process (rust, boil, card (RBC)). I liked doing three RBCs to get a good dark coloring on the barrels before doing the first etch and wet carding, then another three RBCs, etch & wet card. Then 2 RBCs followed by an etch and wet card.

3. The etch time is measured in seconds. About 5-10 seconds in the diluted ferric chloride is all that is needed, followed quickly by a flooding water rinse and the wet carding with 00 grade steelwool.

4. don't forget to neutralize. Baking soda or other similar in solution of water was suggested.

Here's my coupon after attempts over a few yrs and finally success. The coupon is a very fine damascus.


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Doc that picture shows the almost identical pattern that's on my Premier grade Scott with the exception of the spaced lines that look to be about an inch apart. My barrels don't have those lines...what's your take on that ?

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Thanks Chuck H, 2-piper, revdocdrew, and all, I will have an attempt with my current browning formula, I take it you keep going till you get the desired shade.

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Yes, this pic is after the first three rusts and boilings with dry carding, then one etch and wet carding. You can see the pattern came out right off the bat. The picture in my earlier post was after at least 8 ot 9 rusts with about 4 etches and wet cards.


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jOe: I cheated a bit by enhancing your brls



Your's, and Chuck's, are nice 3 Iron Crolle with almost imperceptible ribband weld lines. The lines are much more obvious on Paul's.

This Greener is similar



Another similar pattern was called 'Oxford 4 S.J.' by Remington or 'Rosen' in Ferlach, and had a distinct line down the middle of each scroll, making it very difficult to count the 'rods.' Basically, you look for a slightly odd shaped scroll where the edge of the wrapped ribband was 'jumped' over the edge of the next wrapped ribband segment.



An more exagerated example


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Originally Posted By: revdocdrew
4 Iron Chine, Damas Turc, Turkischer Damask, Turkish Damascus, or English Best refinished by Paul.



If you'll notice the pattern is distubed by the "rib lines" as you call them. Mine is not like that.

This leads me to think similair pattern different manufacturing process ?

I looked at a hammer gun for sale awahile back with the same pattern and the very visible rib lines...I passed on it and left there wondering if I was looking a high grade of twist.



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"similar pattern, different manufacturing process?"

I would agree Joe, but know little about the process and alot more about the resulting patterns. The presence or absence of visible ribband weld lines in no way reflects the quality of the barrels.

c. 1880, prior to transitioning to Whitworth steel, British 'Best' guns would have your pattern in 3 or 4 Iron. A bit earlier it would have been 3 Iron Damas Anglais. You'll find the same transition in Parker Hammer Lifters c. 1870s-1880s.
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/19406549

A bit later American 'Best' would have 6 Iron like this Parker AH



I don't believe the British ever made 6 Iron (but could be wrong.) At least Greener felt it was 'over-twisted' and weaker than 3 and 4 Iron.

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I think some of the Damascus photos you've been posting are more kin to Twist steel than true high grade Damascus.

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When we see Amreicas best Damascus are we not really looking at a Belgium made barrel ?

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