I read an article in the last few years that related how we know for certain that many of the Black Powders of 150 yrs. ago were more energetic than anything we have today, but for the life of me I can't recall where or how. It did include comparisons of GOEX, Swiss, Shuetzen, etc. that had much the same results as the others have given here. I've only used one lb. of 2F Swiss through my flintlock as it is very hard to find in my area. No chronograph tests, but it did give somewhat flatter trajectories than an equal charge of 2F Goex at longer range. Does anyone here know how we KNOW KNOW the old stuff was better? And that begs the question, if it really was better, why can't our much more sophisticated chemical companies of the 21st century equal it if not better it?