I bought the gold ones to shoot 16ga. in a 12 and I used them for about four shells and did not like them at all.They seem to difficult to get the empties out and the empties do get wrecked down one side. At least on my gun they did. On another 12 they had to be removed to get the empties out. Maybe I am to picky or just an old fuddy duddy, I still don't like them.

Regards, Gordon

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