Originally Posted By: jack maloney

What do they do if they catch you closing the bolt on a rifle with the muzzle pointed at the ground? At safe ranges, we close the bolt with the muzzle pointed downrange, not at our feet!


I have never advocated pointing a gun at feet or anything else that is unsafe. You said "get those muzzles up in the air where they belong!"
And I have never heard a warning about pointing a gun at the ground at any range of any type, shotgun, rifle, indoor or outdoor.

Originally Posted By: jack maloney

But we're talking about a loaded shotgun pointed toward the ground;


You were the one that brought up rifles.

Originally Posted By: jack maloney

it is a hazard to gun dogs as well as to hunters. A loaded shotgun pointed upward is a hazard only to birds.


Unless you happen to trip and fall and then where is the muzzle pointed?

Originally Posted By: jack maloney

If you are teaching your 4-H students to carry a loaded shotgun muzzle down in the field, I think you are dangerously mistaken.


Well actually I'm the rifle instructor but the shotgun instructors feel the same way I do. There are time when muzzle up is the safest and times muzzle down is the safest. But neither method is best all the time.