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Both triggers operate as SNSTriggers. Both allow full use of gun w/ two pulls or maybe three if you're the subliminal engineering type. Only the firing sequence changes. Selector on the joy stick in a manner of speaking. A friend and fellow enthusiast recently stated to me that he thinks this is the only "double" trigger Val Browning used in the early Supers. From the advertisements in Schwing's book, it appears that SNS and later certainly SS were offered. Must have been simple double triggers in at least some prototypes. Should take a poll. Anyone have a Super with simple double triggers? Apparently, the thinking on the SNSTX2 was that buyer would decide that he preferred one trigger position over the other and have the less desirable trigger removed and the slot capped. This seems to me to give a retrograde result as operation would revert to SNS. I wonder how many guns had this done?

jack

I looked in Schwing briefly this AM but didn't come up with much except the "pre-1938" ad on p. 51, The Browning Superposed. Closeup of twin single flanked by SST (with selector lever located on tang in front of trigger) and SNST on right. The SST patent belonged to Marriner Browning. Apparently this trigger was treated as a stopgap and not used for long. On p. 46, Schwing states that: "Double triggers were offered as standard equipment." The word "offered" suggests intention but nothing is said about sales of this option. After the War, this issue is mute with the choice of another single selective trigger design with the 4-way switch on the top tang.

jack

My understnding of the twin single was it gave the advantage of instant bbl selection same as a double trigger, but by two pulls gave the advantage of not having to switch as with single trigger. Someone offered a double set up with a single non-selective trigger (R/L) in front position with a rear trigger which only fired the left bbl. Can't recall who made it, but was on the premise the vast majority of shooting would be done R/L but on occasion when the "Long" bbl only was needed simply pull rear trigger. Obviously not designed with driven bird shooting in mind. I just couldn't remember for positive which way the Browning was set up, but thought it was as you have verified.
I do not really think it was intended for one trigger to be removed though. It was I think simply designed at a time many were relunctant to change from the familar two trigger gun.
PS; Many of us stil are, reluctant to change, that is.

The ad copy from the 30s says what it says: "If an owner, after using a Browning Twin-Single Trigger, develops an exclusive preference for either trigger, the extra trigger may be removed and the slot filled with a blank'." [p. 51, The Browning Superposed] Perhaps copy writing is a law unto itself; space to fill w/ features, gimmicks, bullet pts. I agree with Pipes that it makes for a fast selection of first barrel choke.

I didn't shoot well with it at skeet this morning although things improved in the weeds out of bounds. Did alright w/ m12 shooting international mount, delay, doubles all stations. So many guns; so much "dirt", so little lead!

jack

I have a first year 32" Superposed w/ the 'Double-Single' trigger.

I posted about it on this site a few years ago. From that posting, other sites I have read and conversations with the Browning historian I came to some understanding.

1)Standard double triggers were available also.
2)Double Single lasted only long enough for a SST to be developed.
3)It was marketing issue. SST wasn't perfected but they wanted to get the gun on the market. Ref. #2

Discovered the source of my confusion/senior moment or both. Recent AA reloading manual (Western Arms owner/operator) lists pressures generally well above those for similar loads published by the McMinnville, Tenn. operator of a few yrs. back. I have a jug of N-100 from the McMinnville aegis. The 25 of so boxes of 12 ga. reloads came from that jug; consequently pressures are considerably lower than I thought them to be after reading the 2008 manual. Has very little to do with old Supers but it's been fun just the same. Should anyone turn up a Superposed with garden variety double trigger, please post about your find.

jack

Rabbit, did your gun come from a retail store over the border from your home? Just saw one on the net in that area that indicated "Sold". Lucky you. I found my double single trigger trap a year or two ago at a local gun show after looking for a long time. I guess I didn't need two.

From Vintager up the Hudson via net auction, Murph. Chokes opened by BSA up there. Got it for 90 bucks less than the guy who bought it mid-April at 1090 and reneged. Lemme see, 1090-90=someone who wasn't watching will offer me 10% over my outlay but I'll say No I prefer to hang on to it and trade for 10 gal. of gas in a couple years. There was absolutely NO interest in it; I let the clock run out on one auction cycle because I needed to get some additional info/reassurance/patient encouragement and let it all percolate. Put the min on it last day of next cycle, no competition. #27XX, standard wgt., solid rib, horseshoe forend. Ubiquitous Pachmyr Whiteline on the after end I've learned to love them.

jack

hi, i use AA win hull, for 1 0z. 15.5 grs 700-x, 209-p primer, clay buster 1100-cb wad.that's 1100 fps, at 5000 psi

Jack,
I've been shooting my old 1 oz skeet load in my Fox. Rem/Peters hull, 17.5 gr Clays, AA 12SL wad, Fed 209A.

Or my damascus load in a Fed Gold Medal Paper hull, 1 oz., 17.5 gr Clays, 12S3 wad, Fed 209A, 1150fps/6500psi.