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I have a newly acquired English BLE (Pape) with ejector problems. It employees a Deely ejector system. The ejectors both cock properly and fire properly. I removed the forend wood to verify their proper function. The problem is when firing the right hand barrel, both hulls are ejected even though only the right hand ejector has fired. The same holds true when firing the left barrel. I thought perhaps the ejectors were gummed up and "dragging" together when only one ejector lock fires causing both cases to eject. I removed and cleaned the ejectors. Didn't help. They are not tight or binding causing both to eject when only one fires.

Can anyone help? This is about to drive me NUTS! Thanks, Don.

This might sound stupid but, you ARE holding the muzzle lower than the breech, aren't you? What you're describing seems somewhat unlikely even though your description sounds very clear and well written. When opened, the fired case should be ejected clear of the gun and the unfired cartridge should be raised far enough to be removed by hand. The loaded shell is normally too heavy to snap out of the gun, held in the normal, muzzle down position.

There is a nice Webley and Scott SXS near here that has been for sale for several years. I always admired it. The guy has been asking around $1500.00 for it. Every time I see him at a gun show or go to his shop, he still has it for sale. It has nice wood and a BTFE. This gun has always had the same problem that you are having with yours. One of the barrels always ejects the hull whether it has been fired or not. That always kinda kept me from buying it. Hope someone can help with this problem.

What happens when you open it with neither barrel having been fired? Are you saying that both ejectors actually fire even though only one shell was fired? And this happens regardless of which barrel/hammer/shell is the fired one? Ejectors are usually automatic/selective, meaning only the fired shell should be ejected. Is it possible that this gun is non selective? That it's built to eject both shells every time?

another possibility is that recoil from the fired shell is nocking the secound ejector out of its bent and effectively "firing" the second ejector. Thats my guess.
Steve

The one gun I was looking at always ejected the right hull no matter what you did. It was goofed up somehow.

Have you tried with snap caps?

I guess I should have prefaced my question with a little more information. I don't want to call myself a gunsmith, but have a complete shop and have worked on shotguns for over 30 years. I took Jack Rowe's class on English and European guns about 10 years ago. So I am very familar with ejector systems and how they function. I'm not holding the muzzel up allowing the shells to fall out. When the gun is opened without firing either barrel the cases are lifted up just as they should be. By taking the wood off I can see the mechanism is working as it should - the proper ejector is firing with the proper trigger pull and the other side is lifting the shell as it should. The barrel that hasn't been fired is not throwing the hull as far as the fired side. I have used loaded dummy hulls thinking it was a weight issue. That has made no difference. It does eject the fired hulls about 6 feet, which is more than any other gun I've seen. I'm wondering if the ejector springs are to strong and recoil from the first spring is "bouncing" the unfired hull out. I just can't imagine an English gun of that vintage being "turned loose" with that type of problem. Please continue to give me some more ideas and THANK YOU for your help! Still going nuts, Don.

I was just going to suggest taking a look at the springs...

I have a Bernardelli that I had custom built for me, its done this for years, I have not done anything to fix it as I do not shoot it much. One of these days I will get it fixed. I will send it to James Flynn in La. to have him fix it.


John Boyd
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