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Re: Saint Etienne info. please?
L. Brown #73251 12/21/07 07:42 PM
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Casey,

I believe the G.F. is a touch mark. If I am mistaken, I am sure some one will tell me. Could be the gun maker or the barrel maker. There have been books written about the touch mark (punch) of Belgian guns, but very little about French marks that I am aware of.

You might want to check here.
http://www.gournetusa.com/forum/

Geoffroy is attempting to build a knowledge base of these marks. He may be able to help, if he does not check in here.

The only other online resource is Littlegun, as Alain maintains a section on French guns.
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20francaise/a%20accueil%20arme%20francaise%20gb.htm

As to your gun, I leave that to more knowledgeable here.

Pete

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Re: Saint Etienne info. please?
L. Brown #73259 12/21/07 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Those last photos must show a post-WWII Robust. I don't believe the 850 Kilos mark would have been used before the war. According to Kennett, the "normal" mark was used from 1924-62.


Are you sure about this? I was told my 16 ga. Robust No. 214 s/n 179*** was a pre-war model, yet is is marked "850 kilos."
Now I'm wondering...
Re: Saint Etienne info. please?
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Are you sure about this? I was told my 16 ga. Robust No. 214 s/n 179*** was a pre-war model, yet is is marked "850 kilos."
Now I'm wondering...





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Remove the buttplate if it is intact, see my post above 2 of the one I have are stamped under the buttplate with a date. I would think it was close to its birthday

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Re: Saint Etienne info. please?
james-l #73279 12/21/07 10:54 PM
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I did that some time ago. All that is there is the serial number of the gun written in pencil on the wood end. What was interesting was that the case colors on the underside of the metal butt plate were like new and really beautiful.
Re: Saint Etienne info. please?
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Thanks Ted, Larry and PeteM for your input.
Casey
Re: Saint Etienne info. please?
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Here is some more of those books ...one on the St. Etienne, titled "L'armurerie de Saint Etienne" by Maurice Forissier

and another about Casimir LEFAUCHEUX

and Encyclopédie des armes de chasse

They can be purchased at

http://www.armureriejeannot.com/librairie.htm
Re: Saint Etienne info. please?
L. Brown #73327 12/22/07 08:52 AM
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With armies of Baby Boomers combing racks for good SxSs it's harder to find good ones around here. Thanks to the net they are all wise to what's is good now.

Re: Saint Etienne info. please?
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Originally Posted By: GWP
Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Those last photos must show a post-WWII Robust. I don't believe the 850 Kilos mark would have been used before the war. According to Kennett, the "normal" mark was used from 1924-62.


Are you sure about this? I was told my 16 ga. Robust No. 214 s/n 179*** was a pre-war model, yet is is marked "850 kilos."
Now I'm wondering...

GWP, see WC's earlier post on this subject. Could be, as he says, that Manufrance marked it that way. But I don't believe any of the European proofhouses were stamping guns with proof pressure in kg (or bars) as a matter of course until after WWII. The Brits didn't start doing that until the 1980's, but they were about the last ones to change.
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L. Brown #73367 12/22/07 01:10 PM
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Is a Robust 10 a high grade? Nice wood and skipline checkering.

John McCain is my war hero.
Re: Saint Etienne info. please?
Joe Wood #73372 12/22/07 02:12 PM
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The Robust grade 10 started in 1914 and ended in 1924. It was indeed on the higher end of the scale. Bear in mind however, that the Robust is definitely a "utility" gun unlike the Ideal.
In 1930, the Robust prices range from 625Fr (grade 22) to 1800Frs (36ES), while the Ideal goes from 1200 (grade 2) to 15,000Frs (grade 368) !

The grade 214 was made from 1931 to 1936, so it is certainly pre war.

WC
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