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Pete - Would this stock have fared better with a different grain orientation? It appears to be about half way between slab and quarter sawn. With modern glues, do you consider this repairable? What is the wood?
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Perhaps it would have, but the gun was heavily abused. For what I paid, I was not upset. I believe it was walnut. I had a new stock turned to replace it. But it could have been saved with enough glue and bedding material. When the project is done, I will post a lot of pictures with more explanation. Hopefully by spring...
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A couple years ago, one of our members who happened to be a metallurgist and had access to a met lab, embarked on a project to test the mechanical properties of steels/damascus of late 1800s/early 1900s gun barrels. I don't know where he is in this project, but I believe he may have had a sample of a krupp steel barrel...but of what vintage and alloy, I don't know.
Even if he had data on a Krupp sample, it would be unwise to directly correlate the data to your gun, for many reasons. Best to stick with loads with pressures for which the gun was designed. That was your question of course and you are headed int he right direction. But, without the gun make and vintage, this crowd won't be able to provide any useful information. As you probably know, Krupp steel barrels are still being used today on some maker's modern guns (Galazan for one).
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These barrels are on a 1910 ithaca 10 guage. While I know this was well into the smokeless powder age, a lot of black powder and damascus was still being utilized on guns of this era. Were the Krupp barrels designed for black powder and the new smokeless powders of the time or just smokeless? I have several damascus guns and love to shoot black powder. I thought if nothing else I could shoot just black powder in it. I would think it should perform the same as any gun with damascus barrels of the time. The gun is in top condition both mechanically and looks. I have a lot of extra shotgun shells from this era in my collection, do any of you gents know if there is any way or anyone who could utilize the powder from these shells for test to learn the pressures powder of this time would have had? I think it would be interesting data.
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w - Shotgun pressures have been reasonably uniform in the 7000-10,000 range for a long time (say, since the invention of guns). BP is not the key to low pressure loads. Modern USA loads to SAAMI standards are allowed to go higher. CIP (most of the rest of the world) are closer to the range cited. The trick is to figure out what pressures are suitable for your gun and use loads that meet that pressure.
Have your gun checked out by a knowledgable gunsmith - preferably one used to working with doubles, say Kirk Merrington in Kerrville (having noted ou are in TX). If it checks out, you will be able to shoot nitro loads of appropriate pressure, your loads to known pressure or selected factory loads.
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