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Wrong, the pigeon shooters moved to a private club where activists can just stand out on the road remote from the doings. Some day these events will be banned everywhere. Shooting wild birds on their own turf is aptly called a fair chase sport. Shooting box birds is nothing but slaughter. Pleeeezzze no comments about rats with wings, etc.

Been there, done that, grew up.

Wow...you sure you grew up?

Excuse me people but there's a huge difference between hunting, matching wits, and shooting wild game in their home environment; as compared with being an executioner waiting for confused, disoriented and partially de.feathered birds that try to escape from a dark box. That's why sportsmen call the former "fair chase" and the latter, killing for no reason. At least if the pigeons were eaten that might redeem it, same as poultry in a store. But the pigeon shoots I've done all the birds were dumped unceremoniously over a bank or in a dumpster. Driven bird shoots where the birds are hauled out of a pen and thrown or propelled from a device toward the shooters are better; in most cases the birds are eaten by someone even if the shooter declines to take any home. For those that posted links of bear hunts, etc. keep in mind the bears aren't killed for the sake of killing and then discarded in a dump. The Game people take a dim view of that waste including fines and other penalties. The problem I have with pigeon shoots is the killing for no reason, executioner style, no harvesting of the meat. Yah, killing is killing but why take the life of any animal and discard its corpse like it was nothing but waste? Grow up people.

There's a difference between being a hunter and a sportsman. For example, the whole No-Tox shot debate sometimes centers upon the steel shot cripples that are lost and die vs. number of lead poisoned birds. The sportsman, however, will use the No-Tox shot without question (OK, maybe a little grumbling), whereas the hunter simply does the math to see which is economically easier for himself. Same difference in this instance....no sportsmen involved, only hunters, and kinda lazy ones at best if you ask me. Yes, at one time this could be called sport, but without fair chase, ya might as well shoot fish in a barrel....and I don't care how big the barrel is either.

Mike Doerner

I was under the impression that pigeon shoots utilized a human thrower who would pull or arrange feathers to make the birds fly erraticaly. Is this no longer the case? Where have all the throwers gone? Peter

The thowers all joined Peta...

Some of the above posters sound like they may be Peta card carriers.

It's time to take up Helice. The years of live bird shooting are numbered!

Peter B. There are two different live bird games. Box birds are those described earlier in this thread where birds are placed in a box and sprung on the call of pull. The other is Columbaire where a bird thrower launches the bird by hand. Columbaire can be fraught with bribes of the throwers who are able to trick up the birds to make the shots tougher or easier.

Guess we will just have to take our vacation money and go shoot box birds in Mexico, Italy, Spain etc where the competitions are still a matter of great local pride (and big prize money.)

I struggle to see why shooting pest birds is an issue when I can do the same thing at the local feedlot in similar numbers. What happens if we were to switch the boxed birds to starlings or rats. City people are mostly crazy - bitch about the pigeon manure, want the pigeons to be removed, but don't want them harmed. They do like to watch the falcons take them in the city, guess the falcons are more humane, ripping them to bite sized pieces.

No I'm not a peta member but I do carry cards from the NRA, NMLRA, B&C Club, DU, RGS, and others. I've hunted since a kid and I still do. I've shot box pigeons, shot rats on the city dump at night with 22s, done volume shooting on doves in Argentina. I've been a scofflaw and shot over my limit at times. I regret many of the things I've done in the name of sport. Nowadays I'm a fair chase hunter, if I shoot it I or a donee eats it. Back to this thread and pigeons, next time you hear of a box shoot think about it. Is it fair chase or slaughter? What happens to wounded birds> no one puts out one ounce of effort to get them. How about the dead birds put into sacks and off to the dump? Years ago people asked for them for food. No one does it today. I hope at least one of you reading will see this blood game in a different light. BY the way falcons don't kill or wound pigeons while onlookers are drinking cocktails and beer under a tent, and have a Calcutta going on them. They do it to survive.

The sport of pigeon shooting is illegal in all but four states.
That should be enough reason for most sportsmen - wouldn't you think.
If you have what it takes and a Fabbri, off you Europe or Mexico (M-e-x-i-c-o yeow) you go.
Perhaps you'd like to stay.
More talk than doin'it think I.

Lowell we all know you just use your guns to prop up pine trees...lol

Dogfox I know Peta brain washing when I see it...thats the different light I see.