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Hi I’m having difficulties assembling my Baker Paragon. When I look at the receiver there’s a cocking rod on the bottom of the receiver, and whether the hammers are cocked or uncocked the bar lays flat at the bottom of the receiver. When I try to assemble it, the barrels go on OK but when I try to put on the forearm, the cocking lever that is on the barrels won’t go underneath the cocking bar at the bottom of the receiver and jams up. It seems to me on my other shotguns that when the hammers are cocked the cocking bar in the receiver is in an upright position, not flat on the bottom of the receiver, and so the cocking arm on the barrel doesn’t go underneath the cocking bar in the receiver and it’s impossible to put on the forearm in that situation I’m wondering if I’m doing something wrong trying to assemble it or do I have a problem somewhere mechanically with the gun? It seems to me that it’s the cocking bar at the bottom of the receiver is not functioning properly.
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Going from memory, I believe there is a spring in the barrel lump that supposed to keep the cocking rod extended out toward muzzle and when you put forend on it pushes under the the bar/dog. Hopefully the rod in barrel lump is not backwards or upside down. Someone with a baker in hand should send you some pics soon.
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The spring is in the lump. I took the rod out cleaned it then put it back in in all the ways it would fit. None worked. It seems there is only 1 property way of inserting it into the the lump
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Pics of the receiver and barrel lump. The rod in the lump is slightly bend down towards the barrels and wondering if this might be the issue. Reluctant to try straighten it out not knowing if I should clamp it in a vice and gently tap it straight or heat it and then straighten it. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/gX7bPWLr/IMG-0656.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/bsCkcVmh/IMG_0657.jpg)
Last edited by Tamid; 01/28/26 02:21 PM.
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Tamid, you must have the lump cocking arm in incorrectly. If you continue to have problems, email me at darylh1942@gmail.com
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Illustration of the A cocking bolt and B cocking lever ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Gun-Stuff/Baker/i-FPdcjL7/0/Lzb65m7zXB7WQ4TmKM4tq47CfHbZsCBWD2rrB8vK6/L/1904Baker%20Mechanism%20-%201Resized-L.jpg) Cocking bolt appears to be straight ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Gun-Stuff/Baker/i-L7nzb88/0/MM2c7gtxmX3ZN2pJfGpPq7JShvnvCgFxRxrJtrPGm/L/BAKER-Cocking%20Rod-L.jpg) Has the bolt been repaired? ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Gun-Stuff/Baker/i-C9wVhPr/0/M9DTDGwjvM6jZMq9cGXVMPwBSqTHkLnfxJC885NS7/L/Paragon%20Bolt%202-L.png)
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The protrusion at the forward end of the barrel lump appears to be bent downward, as you have noted. I don't know the correct name for the part.
It may have gotten bent by attempting to reassemble the gun while it was uncocked. Sometimes with Bakers, it may help to hold the top lever firmly to the right while installing the barrels. But it will need to be cocked.
If that piece is bent down, it may be unable to engage the cocking hook in the lump recess. I seem to recall that piece is spring loaded, and is pushed to the rear when you install the forend. But it's been awhile since I shot any of my Bakers.
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Drew,
I was assuming the cocking bolt was bent judging from the horizontal line off the top of the lug and the horizontal line off the cocking bolt. When I had the bolt out it did not seem to be bent and there is no indication the bolt has been repaired.
Assembling the gun in the past has always been a bit troublesome. To get around it I have broke the action open slightly when putting on the forearm but this time it just binds. Seems like the cocking bolt hits the cocking lever head on instead of going under it.
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I no longer have a Baker, but possibly someone would be kind enough to remove their cocking bolt and carefully measure its length. The bolt may have been replaced at some point. Is the breech end slightly angled? Another example ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Gun-Stuff/Baker/i-rPLSN2v/0/NKmpLRdWPVM79RGcxBZr3DLFgkZN4HbJ6Hj7njbNZ/L/S%20grade%201910-L.jpg)
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If your cocking bolt is positioned properly, sometimes in double reassembly one needs to push the extractor or ejectors forward from the barrel breech before trying to install the barrels. If your problem is after installing the barrels, you must be sure the forend pushes the cocking bolt forward before trying to snap on the forend.
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