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I would be quite interested to know, since I don't
After 1887 the bore was marked based on using a plug gauge measuring at 9". If the plug gauge of .729 couldn't pass, the barrels were marked 13/1 but could be .719" to .728"
The bore was marked in inches starting in 1954 but IS THAT THE ACTUAL MEASUREMENT or was the plug gauge still used? Could .719 still be up to .728"?
After 1989 the bore was marked in mm (18.5 = 0.728)

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Originally Posted by Nitrah
It seems strange to have 1 barrel .729 and the other .719 but I have a theory, based on having owned several Britt boxlock waterfowlers. At the time some of these guns were made shells with felt wads were used and the gunmaker wanted to insure combustion and perhaps increase performance by having tighter constriction in the barrel.

Given the manufacture date of - I think - 1963, do you think that's still a possibility?

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Originally Posted by Geoff Roznak
Originally Posted by Nitrah
It seems strange to have 1 barrel .729 and the other .719 but I have a theory, based on having owned several Britt boxlock waterfowlers. At the time some of these guns were made shells with felt wads were used and the gunmaker wanted to insure combustion and perhaps increase performance by having tighter constriction in the barrel.

Given the manufacture date of - I think - 1963, do you think that's still a possibility?

Felt wads were never passé in Europe. The last pallet of Eley 16 gauge I bought was felt wads, VIP was the load, if I remember correctly. Purchased early 2000s.

‘Course, they might be, now. But 1963, no way.

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OK. Found several sources stating "A significant change in 1954 was the requirement to stamp the actual measured bore diameter on the barrel flats, not just the nominal gauge number."

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Originally Posted by Drew Hause
OK. Found several sources stating "A significant change in 1954 was the requirement to stamp the actual measured bore diameter on the barrel flats, not just the nominal gauge number."

That's good to know...and this gun is almost 100% guaranteed to be made post-1954.

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Originally Posted by Drew Hause
Geoff: I agree the Birmingham date code is 'O' for 1963

Mike: it's complicated frown
Pressures can be converted to modern piezo transducer numbers using Burrard’s formula if originally expressed as (Long) Tons/Sq. Inch by LUP (Lead [Crusher] Units of Pressure), or by adding 10-14% if expressed as PSI by LUP.
Burrard’s estimated Long Tons/ Sq. Inch Lead Crusher Pressure (Cp) conversion to PSI (pound-force per square inch): (Cp x 1.5) - .5 = TSI, TSI X 2240 = PSI.

“Highest Mean Service Pressure” equivalent PSI transducer values as converted from LUP by Burrard’s formula:
2 tons/sq. inch (NOT 2 X 2240) = 5,600 psi (pounds/sq. inch) = 386 BAR
2 1/2 tons = 7,280 psi = 502 BAR
2 3/4 tons = 8,120 psi = 560 BAR
3 tons = 8,960 psi = 618 BAR
3 1/4 tons = 9,800 psi = 676 BAR
3 1/2 tons = 10,640 psi = 734 BAR
3 3/4 tons = 11,480 psi = 792 BAR (The SAAMI maximum for 2 3/4” 12g is 11,500 psi)
4 tons = 12,320 psi = 850 BAR



Drew, could you explain these conversions?

I just plotted PSI against Tons and got a near perfect linear regression of PSI=3360.5*Tons +1121.1. So the regression does not fit well with the origin, but my real question is why is it not PSI = 2240*Tons?

And if I could put my tire gauge on the chamber and, assuming it had the range capability, what would it read relative to these numbers here (i.e., are these PSI numbers real PSI as in a car tire?

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Picked up the Bland today.

It's kind of a disappointment.

It's heavy-ish at 6 3/4 lbs.

It's barrel heavy - the balance point is a solid inch+ in front of the hing pin.

Condition is good though, so it'll do well as a banquet or a prize gun.

Stock dimensions are OK at 14 7/8" LOP, 1 1/8" DOC, 2 1/4 DOH, with a little cast off.

This is the best picture I can get of the date code without getting out a better camera:

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...maybe a double strike on the letter on the right side, but I'm sticking with the 1963 date I got above above unless someone sees something I don't see.

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Bland`s were known as specialists in wildfowling guns,6 3/4 lbs and 2 3/4 chambers is a recipe for a light duck gun firing 1 1/4 oz loads ...you got a gem.

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Brent: scroll down just past 1/2 way here for an explanation of measuring pressure using crushers and a Tarage table
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F2sQuPm05IE4VWYYnCkvuXmYEzQoWd_SQgaAfUOZEFU/edit?tab=t.0

Tons/BAR/PSI was measured using a crusher devices; converting a physical change in dimensions to a pressure number using a Tarage table. Lead for shotshell pressures; copper for higher rifle pressures.
Tons/BAR/PSI are now measured by piezoelectric transducers and there is no simple mathematical conversion from crushers to piezo transducers; adding 10 - 14% is pretty close for those of us not good at higher mathematics wink

BTW Great Britain adopted the 1969 Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives standards March 1, 1980 but continued using Lead Crushers to measure pressure (BAR) until 1989.

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Originally Posted by Imperdix
Bland`s were known as specialists in wildfowling guns,6 3/4 lbs and 2 3/4 chambers is a recipe for a light duck gun firing 1 1/4 oz loads ...you got a gem.

I was thinking the exact, same thing. Just had a discussion on my Spanish gun that was 6 1/2lbs, with 3” chambers and proof. Not sure who thought that was a good idea.

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