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![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/ksaUwVt.png) Just sold at Southams, and catalogued as an English sidelock non ejector signed L. C.Smith. Ⓕ (S2) 12 bore English Sidelock Non-Ejector, 30 ins browned damascus barrels, ic & ic, broad engine-turned rib, 70mm chambers, treble-grip action signed L.C. Smith, 14 ins semi-pistol grip stock, no. 20326 I suspect this may have been because it bore English Proof marks, probably 2 sets as a 70mm chamber mark would have indicated a relatively recent re-proof.
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That was quite a compliment in a way.
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That was quite a compliment in a way. Not to the Southam’s staff that wrote it up. Best, Ted
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Interesting. Would my Sterlingworth Ejector therefore be described as an English boxlock signed A H Fox? ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](https://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/74506_800x600.jpg)
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That is a Syracuse L.C. Smith Quality 2 made in 1887-88. From descrlption barrel chokes were opened. Could have been shipped over or carried over years ago and then sold but by then would need to be proofed!
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Any more pictures of this gun available?
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![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/YpTJGJD.png) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/ODHxb3N.png) Stan, you could be right! David, thank you for the information about the date and grade. I guessed (I have little reference material on L. C. Smith) that it was an early one. It was clearly offered without reserve, as I was the leading bidder for the first week of the auction at the starting bid of £2. I chased it for a while, but let it go at the hammer price of £80 which I suspect will seem silly cheap on your side of the pond. Lloyd, more pictures- in fairness to Southams they put up plenty of photos. One curious feature is the 2 shallow opposing holes either side of the top lever spindle. I could not see similar indentations in pictures of other Elsie guns. Might they gave been added to secure a back sight or aim corrector?
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Parabola, I have seen those shallow indentations on a few other Syracuse L.C. Smith's but have no idea as to what they were for. This is one of mine showing those detents. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/TiLd4ra.jpg)
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Thankyou Parabola.
Neat, nitre-blued bridle screws (I believe thats proper?). That darkened lockplate interior is caused (IMHO) by the use of whale oil as the lubricant of that period (both of my 1890s Smiths had that). Over time it degrades (oxidizes) to that very dark coating on the interior of the locks. Petroleum based lubricants do not oxidize in that fashion.
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David,
Thank you for your photo of your Grade 2. Looking at the build quality I clearly should have kept on bidding.
On the other hand I am not short of usable 12 bores, and if it was bought with a view to re-export to its homeland it may well get better use and proper appreciation on your side of the pond.
Now Forum members, what is the reason for the twin indentations on these guns?
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