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Who exactly does this side frame text read?

Nitro Stamp so made between 1912 & 1923.



Gebrüder Röchling Tube Steel.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Also, any text on the left side of the frame. You wouldn't offend me if you captured a foto of the standing breech w/ Schlegelmilch's name on it.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

First, my error for grouping both Schlegelmilch and Phillip Reeb. They are separate guns and the gun above is the Schlegelmilch gun.
Second, the text on the side frame (both sides) reads "Ernst Schlegelmilch".
What else?
Shortly, I will send a picture of the name on the standing breech. It's there just not so clear.
Carl

Ernst Schlegelmilch of course..... and he was located on Herenstraße.




Ernst Schlegelmilch - Patent 39832 - Must be a German or other patent number?(German Patent no. 39832 on Nov. 6, 1886 and U. S. Patent no. 356,378 on Jan. 18, 1887)

The U.S. of A. Patent Number as 356378 - Schloß für Kipplaufwaffe.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I would fancy a better foto of the Pagoda A with other letters confab.

Hochachtungsvoll,


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Looks like Ernst Schlegelmilch was the owner of T&S @ one point? Need to dig a bit more.

>>Christoph Funk’s adress was Göthaer Strasse 18, Suhl. That piece of information is interesting, because Thieme & Schlegelmilch Nimrod Gewehrfabrik, was located on the same adress. The owner was Alfred Funk, who had taken over the company from Ernst Schlegelmilch at around 1930.

Thieme & Schlegelmilch became famous for developing the Anson & Deeley action system from Great Britain This system had a better spring-geometry with the result of reducing the trigger pull of approximately 1.5 kg against at least 2 kg as normal. The pull-off weight in both A&D and Blitz-systems were then and to day a problem for drilling-makers. As a security measure you have to rely on a very high pull-off weight to avoid, that the first shot releases the second and a heavy og inexact pull-off is the result. Most drillings has a hair-trigger for more accurately shooting the rifle barrel.

Thieme & Schlegelmilch was in other words an innovative gunmaker and so was Christoph Funk, who invented one of the most interesting safeconstructions seen on a drilling. The safe blocks all three tumblers and can be found on Funk’s ”Jubiläums-Drilling 1835 – 1935”. The bullet-barrel is secure until the selector between the right shot barrel and the rifle barrel is activated and this feature also prevents from doubling. Fredrik Franzén – Scandinaviens expert on weapons for hunting, writes in his book ”Fina gamla vapen” e.g. ”Fine old weapons”: ”This drilling could presumably be dropped on the floor without any risk of an accidental discharge”.<<

http://www.christophfunk.dk/

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=73234


Hochachtungsvoll,


Raimey
rse

It appears that an Ernst Schlegelmilch took the reins of the Thieme & Schlegelmilch circa 1900.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

>>Ernst Schlegelmilch-born in 1865, he took over the management of the Thieme & Schlegelmilch company in 1886 after the death of his father and brother. He was also a co-founder of the company-Röhmerwerk. Ernst died in 1933. He was granted the German Patent no. 39832 on Nov. 6, 1886 and U. S. Patent no. 356,378 on Jan. 18, 1887 for a hammerless action.<<

https://germanhuntingguns.com/schlegelmilch/

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Yeah, I will pull out the Schlegelmilch tube mechanic info.

>>Also I would like to thank Axel Pantermuhl for information he supplied.

Adam Schlegelmilch, Suhl- Arms factory at Herrenstrasse 47 circa 1895/1896.

August Schlegelmilch, Spandau- was granted German Patent no. 29266 on March 5, 1884 for a block action for breech loading guns. It is not known if there was any production of this design. August died at Hirschbach near Suhl in 1941.

A. Emil Schlegelmilch, Suhl- Diana Haus, a gunmaker in Suhl in 1919.

Bernhard Schlegelmilch, Zella St. Blasii- Gun barrel maker at G. Bahnhofstrasse 10 in 1912.

Casper Schlegelmilch (A) worked in Suhl, circa 1846

Casper Schlegelmilch (B) Trading in Suhl in 1914-20 as a specialist gun barrel maker, under the ownership of Enst Wilhelm Schlegelmilch

Ernst Schlegelmilch-born in 1865, he took over the management of the Thieme & Schlegelmilch company in 1886 after the death of his father and brother. He was also a co-founder of the company-Röhmerwerk. Ernst died in 1933. He was granted the German Patent no. 39832 on Nov. 6, 1886 and U. S. Patent no. 356,378 on Jan. 18, 1887 for a hammerless action.

Franz Schlegelmilch, Suhl, a barrel blank maker listed in the 1939 Deutshes Reichs Adressbuch

Friedrich Wilhelm Schlegelmilch, Suhl, circa 1846, associated with Adolph Thieme as Thieme & Schlegelmilch.

H. Schlegelmilch, Zella-Mehlis, listed in 1939 as a master gunsmith

Hans Jakob Schlegelmilch, Pressburg (Bratslavia)/CS & Vienna, Austria. He came from Suhl to Pressburg and became a Master Craftsman there. In 1670 he buys himself into the Vienna Guild as a Master Craftsmam.

Heinrich E. Schlegelmilch, Suhl-circa 1898 on Aug. 16, 1898 he was issued US Patent no. 609,169.

Hermann Schlegelmilch (A), Zella St. Blasii- Gun barrel maker at Meiningerstrasse 47 in 1912. By 1935 was at Haupstrasse 47 and in 1936 they were listed as a gun barrel factory at Adolf-Hitler-Strasse 78 in Zella Mehlis. The firm also had an adress in Suhl, but it is not known if they had any production capacity there.

Hermann Schlegelmilch (B), Suhl, registered as a gun stocker shortly before 1939

Herman Schlegelmilch (C), born in Suhl in 1830 and learned the Gunmakers trade there, emigrated to the United States in 1853, 1853-1855 in New York, Bethlehem,Pa. and Chicago, Ill. 1855-1860 in Beaver Dam where he started his own business and met Augusta Krueger whom he married. They were in Ceder Rapids, Iowa for a short time before moving to Eau Claire in oct. 1860 where he built a Gun Shop and Hardware Store at 217 South Barstow.

H. & K. Schlegelmilch, Suhl, listed in 1939 as a gunmaker

I.P. Schlegelmilch, St. Petersburg (Leningrad)- circa 1760-1775, crafted hunting weapons with hidden mechanisms. Probably from Suhl.

Louis Schlegelmilch, Spandau- a gunmaker associated with the German Reichsgewehr, and also with a primitive semi-automatic pistol. Granted German Patent no. 76257 of Oct. 1, 1893 for unique Bolt Action Rifle. Below is a slider of the story about the Schlegelmilch Bolt Action from the DWJ.<<

Interesting that Ernst Wilhelm Schlegelmilch owned the firm where Casper Schlegelmilch was employed.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Pics to follow.
Carl