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I happened across a very plain WC Scott 8 bore the other day. The gun has crystal indicators, and practically no engraving other than the company name on it. The condition is worn with no finish remaining and the metal has turned a dull gray, however, there are no signs of abuse. The bores are decent with some moderate pitting forward of the both chambers and the action is a tiny bit loose. The dealer is including a full box of very early nitro loads with it, date on the box is 1907. Any idea what kind of price range this should be in? The dealer is asking $3100 for it.
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Alex,
The few Scott 8ga's I have seen have all been hammerguns and prices $1-2000 higher than the gun you are looking at.....but....they were all in much better condition than the one you are looking at.
Putting it back on face and having the barrels (probably damascus if it is a back action gun) spiffed up and wood refinished would set you back close to the purchase price.
If you decide to buy it and want to load your own shells, drop me a note. I can get you a couple of hundred 8ga industrial hulls for the price of shipping if you are patient.
Mike
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Do the locks look like this?  Or this? 
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Your going to have to like the gun for what it is...a bunch, because there's not much your going to be doing with it.
Its like my last 458, I shot a box up at tree-stumps and then sold it.
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Mike, it is like the one you have with the pheaseants. I honestly don't think I'll be buying this one, like was said, what would I do with it? I can't hunt with it because some people think of it as a cannon (I've shot heavier loads than the original ones provide in my mag 10) and its illegal for hunting in my locale. I was just curious whether this was a gun in the right ballpark range, if it had been some incredible steal, which I didn't really believe I might have sprung for it.
Last edited by Alex Johnson; 05/22/07 10:42 PM.
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Alex, It is not legal for waterfowl but you could hunt some quail with it..... 
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AJ - the Scott name has Brand Value level three (BV3), a border engraved SLE (you didn't mention ejectors or not) is typically Original Quality grade five (OQ5), and the condition sounds like "Shootable but needs some repairs and refinishing", which is Current Condition level six (CC6). For retail of a 12 bore gun similar to this I'd predict BV3-OQ5-CC6 = $1350; less if it is an extractor gun. Is the fact of 8 bore worth a 2.3X premium? 20 bore is worth about 1.5X - 2X premium.
Hope that helps some.
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Don,
I believe all of the backaction Crystal Indicator guns were made with extractors.
I believe the 8ga carries a premium but as you point out, not 2.3x.
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Don,
I believe all of the backaction Crystal Indicator guns were made with extractors.
Mike, Ejector guns with backaction locks & crystal indicators are rarer but they do exist (with both steel & Damascus barrels). My own Scott built gun (c1895~) has backaction locks with the Perkes patent intercepting sears; crystal indicators; steel barrels; Perkes patent ejector mechanism. Blanch guns are especially worthwhile looking at if you want to see various combinations of these features & lockwork. Regards Russell
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Russel,
I don't claim to be an expert only an interested novice when it comes to W&C Scott guns but they must be REALLY rare. If someone mentions a Scott my ears perk up. Having looked at every backaction Crystal Indicator gun I could get my hands on or pictures of I have never seen one with original fluid steel barrels or ejectors.
Fitting ejectors with that early style cocking arrangement must have been a nightmare.
Regards,
Mike
PS I don't suppose you could email me a couple pictures of this arrangement on your gun?
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