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Hello Gentlemen:

While I was reading about english, "stright" stocks, I remember I saw a divice to "create" a temporary pistol grip (or POW) in a stright stock, just like a slip on recoil pad.
I thought it was made with leather and you atach it in the stock with velcro or a lace.
I check all afternoon in the Internet for such a device but I do not find it.
If you remember who make it (and is not a product of my imagination!) please enlighten me with the internet site.

Thank you

Best,

I do remember having seen such a thing..But no details...sorry

Springfield Arsenal made one out of cast steel for Trapdoor rifles. I have owned and used several. Replaced the bottom guard screw with a longer one fixing it in place. They also fitted Trapdoor Officers Models with wood add on pistol grips, same design.

Never saw one on a shotgun but the principal ought to work fine . Try google images have a look at officers models. Wood ones lot of variation. Under Trapdoor cast pistol grip photos of the ones I used. Used to be fairly common gun show items.

Boats

I have a Pedersoli Mortimer 54 cal flintlock rifle.
It is stocked like an English shotgun with a straight grip.
The trigger guard extends rearward & has an outward & forward curl to it that it sort of forms a semi pistol grip. My hand fits snuggly into the curl which prevents rearward hand movement.
The grip is straight but feels very POW
O.M

I believe Tom Archer the writer has an LC Smith with a neat one installed and wrote about it in an old Double Gun Journal. Bobby

The same Tom Archer who got the date wrong about when the German U-Boat sunk the Lusitania? Any time you take a straight hand grip style shotgun stock and try to cobble it into a pistol grip style, you'll likely end up with something uglier than home made shit--RWTF

Your damned straight Brother Runs, it was indeed the same Tom Archer; and the fact that the referenced A-2 Grade Smith DGJ article may have contained a date typo did nothing to discredit the balance of the information contained within, or me personally. For unlike you, I've never claimed to "walk on water"; nor do I criticize or sit in judgment of the other posters to this forum when I disagree with their comments or opinions.
And as to the referenced DGJ article illustrating the after-market ball grip to which Bobby has referred, that device was added to a special ordered straight-gripped PE Grade LC Smith two barrel set. It was made from a material that appeared to be gutta percha (probably misspelled, but I'm sure Runs will let us know); and was finely crafted and fully checkered to match the grip pattern. It was attached by a screw to the trigger guard strap, and the loosening of that screw allowed the device to be shifted fore or aft approximately 1/2". And like it or not, this device worked very well for shooting; and who ever did the work was a true craftsmen.
But I'm flattered to know Brother Runs that you've devoted yourself to proof reading the articles I've written and which were published by the DGJ; and it warms my heart to know that the most significant bit of information retained from those efforts has the Lusitania date snafu. And as you wait with great anticipation for your next new adventurers in proofing, please know I'm working on several other DGJ pieces I expect to be published in the near future. But rather than spending your time critiquing my work Brother Runs, I challenge you, as the self-acclaimed dean of all double gun knowledge; to step down off your throne of judgment and enlighten all of us by publishing and sharing your own vast trove of knowledge. You won't, after all, be living forever; so why not bless us with your gifts while you can still manipulate a keyboard?
And to those who may have read some of the articles I've published over the years, I sincerely appreciate your time whether you agreed with what you read or not. Those who've published articles understand very well how many hours of study, research, writing and re-writing, photo sessions, and so forth are required in order to prepare a single magazine ready piece. The financial reward for that effort is minimal and does not justify the time required to produce a quality work. One can rest assured that my motivation in writing is not monetary, but is derived solely from a desire to share the knowledge I've acquired (and mostly the hard way!) over many years with others who love this hobby before I'm dead. I'm human and I'm going to make mistakes, and as such will occasionally make a glaring mistake such as the date mistake that is now forever lodged deep within Brother Runs craw; and which mistake, by the way, I publicly acknowledged when Brother Runs pointed out same on this very forum 5 years or so ago. But in spite of my faults, and as time and opportunity permit; I'll continue to write and publish the information and observations I've acquired until such time as God calls me home, or that knowledge has been exhausted. Until that time I will remain humble, admit and ask forgiveness for my mistakes; and be forever unapologetic for my desire to reach out. Tom Archer

I've seen old straight gripped muzzle loaders that had a sort of pistol grip fashioned out of metal and as part of the trigger guard, bottom strap. Not terribly attractive, however.

Topgun, can you point me to the PE article?

"Topgun, can you point me to the PE article?"

It's been years since I did that work, and I don't now recall the title; but (from the LC Smith web page) I belive it was the following piece split into two articles and published by the DGJ in 2006 as follows:

L. C. Smith Minutiae and Other Musings, Part II, by Tom Archer with photographs by Terry Allen, Volume 17, Issue 3, Page 58.

�L. C. Smith Minutiae and Other Musings, Part I, by Tom Archer with photographs by Terry Allen, Volume 17, Issue 2, Page 82.

The PE Grade was the featured gun; but the article discussed various questions left us by Mr. Brophy, as well as some personal observations as I recall. I'd featured this gun because it was shipped with two sets of Krupp Steel barrels; something Mr. Brophy noted in his book that he had not observed, and a barrel option Hunter Arms cataloged for only a brief period.