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Hello Dawed
Welcome on your first posting.
Mike

That is perfectly OK. We all hope our guns are worth more just as those of us hoping to purchase hope they are worth less, at least at the time of purchase. Note that I made an assumption as to the guns CC based solely on a few photos. Your description adds a good bit. So, lets put up several possibilities and you can tell us which you think fits best. CC4 = Heavy use, but no abuse, CC5 = Minor repairs needed or proper restoration accomplished, CC6 = Shootable but needs some repairs and refinishing or refinished with barrels or stock replaced, CC7 = Shootable but needs expensive repairs or restored with stock and barrels replaced. BV5-OQ5-CC4 = $600, BV5-OQ5-CC5 = $450, BV5-OQ5-CC6 = $335, BV5-OQ5-CC7 = $230. One of the problems of valuation for such guns is a paucity comparables. The foregoing said, I hope some of the readers will chime in with values and their logic as to the numbers. Strictly speaking, this gun fall outside the above valuation system, but it is interesting to see how close it comes or how far off it is.

DDA

Let me add a little more info and then I'll take a shot at what fits best. The barrels are 29 1/2 inches. A 3-inch 12 gauge shell seems to fit and the gun closes on it. The engraving on the sides include what appears to be pheasants (long tail) on one side and maybe quail (short tail) on the other side. There is also engraving on the trigger guard that appears to be a deer.The gun is very tight when closed.

Rocketman, I'm not a collector and not familiar with your formula. I would say the gun has been used but has no abuse, just normal little nicks and dings that one would associate with carrying it afield. Someone suggested restoration which is something I might want to explore. However, I'm reminded of an old antique bed I paid to have restored one time and was told later it would have been worth more had I not had it restored and after the fact, I was not able to sell the piece to even cover the cost of restoration.

This gun falls into the same category. You'll never recoup the cost of the restoration. I only suggested it if you intend to keep it, rather than try to sell it. The overall surface rust, the barrel pattern condition, as well as the condition of the wood really knocks down its current value for most people.

Ken

Please do note the fact that a 3" shell will go in the chamber & the gun close & bolt does not mean it is chambered for a shell of that length. The length of a shotshell is determined by its total,"Uncrimped" length. A 3" shell with a fold crimp will enter the chamber of most 2�" chambered guns & the gun close & bolt, but they "Should Not" actually be fired in them.
As to value I will just say I would much rather pay $150.00 for this gun than to sell it for that if it were mine.

Dawed, the issue I see is that in times past someone damaged the screw slots by using a very poor fitting screw driver. This is often a clue that other sub-standard work was performed inside. Hopefully, the only thing that happened was Fumb leFingers satisfied his curiosity. My formula has proven reasonably reliable to get you in the ball park.

Per 2-p above, plEEEEase don't fire a 3" shell in it. Take it to a qualified smith and have it inspected as suitable for firing. And, for pete's sake don't take it behind the barn, strap it to a tire, and pull the trigger on a modern high pressure load with a good long string (method sometimes refered to as "Firestone Proof"). Chamber length is far less important than load pressure - you want loads of KNOWN low pressure. Don't shoot anything until it gets a clean bill of health from a good smith.

2-p thinks it is over $150. Anyone else?

DDA

My view is that it , with good barrels, is worth 2-3 times the $150 estimate.

We do not have all the facts just yet. What if along the gold bands the tubes are by L�opold Bernard Canonnier � Paris? Or possibly a set by V. Chr. Schilling?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Thank you, DH. Your estimate would place its Current Condition between the two descriptions below. In terms of reverse engineering, do you think the gun and CC descriptions match?

CC5 = Minor repairs needed, CC6 = Shootable but needs some repairs

DDA