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Gun appears to be a type T number 34 grade. Can't help with the S over R stamp-I think the AE might have to do with the exposition in 1914, but, I don't have any hard info as to that.
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About all that I can add is that the R under a crown is smokeless powder reproof since 1960.
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Hi Tim,
Well, this is the definitive proof that Jallas indeed succeeded to F Darne.
I don't know either what the Rhombus is about except that it is a tradesman's mark and not an official proof mark.
The 5 grade stamps are double FDs which no doubt are for Francisque Darne. There is also a half erased tradesman mark on the lump which seems to be Gxxet. The AE is also unknown.
The barrels seem to be monoblocked. I thought Francisque did not do that, but Jallas did.
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Thanks, All. Good catch on the lump, WC, not sure what that's about. The gun was rebarreled at Ets. Darne last July and reproofed in August 2012. Should have asked for a superior reproof in order to get stamps on the barrels as the French proofhouse does not stamp the barrels, except for gauge, on an ordinary reproof...
Regards, Tim
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Thats not a rebarrel, Tim. Its a sleeve. Francisque Darnes ARE NOT mono bloc guns. One never should say never on sliders, but, I'm pretty sure we would have seen a mono bloc F. Darne by now, and we haven't.
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Looks like you have covered your bases over on the Gournet forum. It's not the fastest moving forum, but Geoffroy seems to get to all questions eventually.
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Good catch Ted, the barrels were sleeved, that explains the monoblock part.
The 16.0 looked like a new marking, but I thought it was just a regular reproof.
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Note the braze lines are quite visable in the picture on eith side of the under lug where the lower part was put in. Since it wasn't built as a monoblock, it doesn't have one now.
Monoblocks have the entire breech end of the barrels, including lugs etc all machined from "ONE" (Mono) piece of steel.
A breech section with joints in it ain't Mono.
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Note the braze lines are quite visable in the picture on eith side of the under lug where the lower part was put in. Since it wasn't built as a monoblock, it doesn't have one now.
Monoblocks have the entire breech end of the barrels, including lugs etc all machined from "ONE" (Mono) piece of steel.
A breech section with joints in it ain't Mono. You wouldn't believe the amount of people who should know better that simply don't get that. Best, Ted
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