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JOe - I haven't personally seen it tested, but time-honored experience and teaching of woodworking experts supports Ted's statement.

Except maybe for the junior high school girls part ... I don't know about that.

Woodworking experts in my oppinion are not Gun Stock experts.

Personally I don't want a gun with a repaired wrist. I know cracks can be hidden and they may or may not be okay for the long haul....time will tell.
I saw the Boss that Crosschissles repaired and bit my tounge. As fine a gun as it was I think it should have been restocked.

Well, jOe, personally, I don't want a big beer gut. I'd take my chances with glued stocks before I took my health chances with a "Dunlop". But, hey, if a guy is just going hunting, with an old, well used gun, a repaired stock is fine, and it isn't that big a challenge to get one to go for the long haul. The original stockmakers can and do repair defects in wood on guns that will be sold as new-Mr. T can comment further on that, but, whether you like it or not, there are many, MANY new, very good guns, that have expertly repaired wood on them, from the factory. Wood cuts, wood carves, wood checkers, and, wood glues, and has since before there were guns. People who stock good guns know this fact. People who don't know this fact, don't know all that much about wood, at least where it concerns guns.

Get over it. Just like the rest of us have to start getting over the fact that these old guns we saw at shows, little shops and pawn outfits in the past that used to be $200-400 are going for much more than that today.
Best,
Ted

PS "Prepubescent" means, in a nutshell, Jerry Lee Lewis would approve.

Ted, any follow up on this gun?

Larry

A good repair often just makes sense and someone who has repaired many stocks will usually add re-enforcements to the repair with dowels, screws, pins , staples, etc. Great chapter in "technicana" on it. I like the part where Mac States that DT has seen repaired guns come back to the shop broken, but always in another spot, not at the repair. I did one last week with a screw hidden under the drop point. I showed the customer where it was and he couldnt see it. I have lots of faith in the repair, but one never knows. Look at the math of it....I did the repair for under 1/5th of the labor to restock, not counting wood or stock duplication. Sometimes it is worth it to give it a go.
Steve

It's a well known fact that todays glues are a lot stronger than the wood. You can take a piece of wood break it, glue it up and break it again, and it won't crack in the same spot. Try it. I know that for a fact becasue I have done it.
The whole issue here is that the gun should have been listed as having a cracked stock. Yes, there is a resurgence of 16 ga guns. They are bringing prices equal to 20 ga. guns. I do believe that in your description of the gun, being dirty and the stock being cracked, that $1,000 is high. But like Lowell said, if he's happy, we're happy?
Probably expect another $300-$600 for repairs and cleaning. What could you get now?

Wait a minute, the Ithaca NID is as good IF not better than a LC Smith, Fox, Lefever, and a Parker or any other name you want to throw in there!!!

You could be right 1958, but the feeding the gun cabinet chase has not caught-up with Ithicas quite yet imho!
Chuck Berry liked 'em too!

Amen to that Lowell!!! Of all the American built doubles, I would say, value wise only and in order of value, I would rank them; first The Parker, LC Smith, closely followed by A.H. Fox, Dan Lefever, throw the Winchester 21 in there somewhere, then ahhhh not yet, here comes the Remington 1894!!! The Ithaca NID left out in the cold, right were I'm at scoping them up to hunt with!!!
All the best

Keith Kearcher stripped and cleaned the gun, and repaired the crack-my buddy ponied up for a refinish of the stock at the same time. Wildwood is supposed to throw the $100 the repair cost back this way, so, friend has about $1200, I suppose, into 16 gauge NID with un-cut stock, and barrels. Oh yea, Keith measured chokes, they are IC and MOD, gun had MOD and FULL when new, and buddy 'woulda paid to have them opened, but, didn't have to.
He shot the gun this past weekend, well, by the way, and is buying a slip on recoil pad, as it kicks a bit-it is a light gun.
Extra LOP won't hurt, either.
Screaming deal? No, but, he has an American 16 gauge double, up to whatever he wants to use it for, that isn't a closet queen, for about SBE money.
Best,
Ted