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I have inherited two German or Austrian shotguns (I think) both are side by side boxlock type guns in 16 guage. I am looking for any help with the id, history, and value. I have provided a description below for each gun with the writing and marks I can identify.

1. 28.5" barrels that have been re-choked to modified and improved cylinder, Markings on barrel say Rheinmetall and Ehrhard Lauf is on each barrel in a circular pattern. The gun has a nice walnut stock with swivels and some scroll type engraving on the reciever. Action locks up tight and gun functions very well and has killed a lot of grouse and woodcock for me. Bluing is gone from barrels and stock has some damage to the wrist area and a small chip on edge of forearm.

2. gun #2 has 28" barrels not sure of chocke but belive it is improved and modified. Writing on barrels says Fluss-Stahl Krupp-Essen serial # 51468 on both barrels and reciever. Barrel also has Gustloff Werke Waffenwerk SUHL written on it. There is a rib with two beads. Action locks up tight and gun functions perfectly, stock is walnut and in good shape, barrels have good bluing some scroll engraving on reciever.

Can anyone help me out with some history on each gun? I will try and get pictures of proof marks on here tommorrow but was hoping someone may be able to help out a little with just a description and sone quick pics.













Thanks,

Erick

In focus of the sides of the frame, water table/action flats & barrel flats will aide in the ID. Gustloff Werke Waffenwerk examples aren't encountered every day. The concern began as Simson and was commandeered by the Nazis renaming it to Gustloff Werke Waffenwerk in 1939 so the scattergun would date to then. Pretty good overall story/overview here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simson_(company) (copy and paste or select go) , but I haven't reviewed it word for word.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Okay here are some pictures of gun#1.









Can anyone help out with this one and give a possible value?

Here are some more pictures of gun#2. I could not get any good pictures of the proof marks but this is what was on each barrel flat;

16 than underneath that was 70mm and then under that was the letter N, this occured on both barrels but one barrel had some sort of crest and then the number 942 underneath the crest. My guess is it was made September of 1942. Can anyone help out with a value on this one?

The steel type stamp on these tubes looks like Heinrich Ehrhardt. Is there an encircled square that I see?

Ellenbr,

Yes it is just as you said square with a circle around it. On each barrel in a circle pattern are the words Ehrhard Lauf. Does the 631 on the forend mean it was made in June of 1931?