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We held our first ever open Vintagers, which also incorporated out Perrins Owners Club Meet, at my shooting ground yesterday. We had a great turnout with people travelling from the furthest parts of England and Wales to be part of the day. I will post photos for you Damascusholics later. In the mean time here is a wonderful old pin fire. Now I am not up on pin fires but this one looked a bit special. As you see barrels slide forward but the interesting feature is that the hammers have holes in them that act as extractors clever!!. The gun is a 12 bore by John Lyell   
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Nice. I've always wanted a 16bore pinfire rifle. One of these days I'll find one.
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Hey! That one looks like a Darne (OK, it's the other way round). Nice gun.
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Hey! That one looks like a Darne (OK, it's the other way round). Nice gun. Yup- it is a Darn nice sliding breech side-by pinfire-- look at the quality of the wood to metal fit and the finish- what a beauty!!
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Hey! That one looks like a Darne (OK, it's the other way round). Nice gun. Yup- it is a Darn nice sliding breech side-by pinfire-- look at the quality of the wood to metal fit and the finish- what a beauty!! Well now it sure looks to me like you're getting the Cart Before the Horse. I don't see the Breech doing any sliding at all, only the barrels. I do agree on the rest of your asssesment though.
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Oldfarmer,
The action is refered to in various early books as the; Bastin Gun.The origional design is attributed to Bastin Freres a French gunmaker.[Not Patented in England] A friend of mine has a similar gun bearing the name;G.Masu,Wigmore Street,London.David Baker comments on this design on page 84 of Volume 1, The British Shotgun.
David also states that he also owns a version of this gun bearing the Masu name.
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Roy, As I said - I dont know much about pin fires but of the ones that were there this one seemed like something a bit special. It was great to see several pin fires being fired and breaking clays very effectively. David had travelled 3 hours from a very soggy west Wales to be with us. Here he is photographed with Brian Beachey, who had also travelled 3 hours, from Cornwall, to be with us. As you can imagine Davids expertise and depth of knowledge was much sought after on the day. David kindly brought his collection of Horsleys to put on show for the day. John 
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I had the opportunity to look up John Lyell this morning. It appears he was in Aberdeen that is in Scotland for anyone that doesnt know!!!! at the following dates.
1831. 1835. 126 Union Street
1835. 1837. 130 Union Street
1837. 1841. 123 Union Street
1841. 1865. 124 Union Street
1865. 1879. 128 Union Street
John Lyell was first listed in 1831 where he was described as Registered grate and stove maker, this changed in 1832 and the description changed to Registered grate, stove and gun maker
Not sure therefore if he bought the gun in and sold it under his name or if he made it to someone elses design.
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That is a gordeous old gun. Do you know the purpose of the holes in the hammer heads? I've never noticed them before,on other guns.
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Justin, "As you see barrels slide forward but the interesting feature is that the hammers have holes in them that act as extractors clever!!.
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