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This is a cape gun and as I read the marks (don't know much about it) it was originally black powder proofed (1912?) but was repaired or reproofed under German proof laws of 39-45 in November '40. 16 ga.x9.3x72. I assume the 15.9 is bore for the shotgun side. The 001 and Carl Goluch Linz I don't know as well as some of the number sequences. Any comments would be appreciate. Regards...

Well, it seems to wear an odd preliminary datastring of 9.3X272.12.1, but I guess that it could suffice. That being that the rifled tube intent was for 9.3x72R and the 1st pass for the scattergun tube was 12.1mm. It also has the preliminary Ferlach stamps and for some reason it wears two 2nd pass Ferlach stamps with one being adjacent to the 1140 German date stamp. It could that this late 1912 example is one of the early examples with his name. I really don't know if he was a maker to the trade, which it seems, or he was a firearms merchant. Seems the business in Linz had some change in 1940 and it may be that post WWII that it morphed into Textil und Waffenhandel. Then due to something like receivership or the like, Schmidt & Sohn, Marco & Rudolf, of Vienna acquired the firm. Rampant speculation would be that he had a son named Martin and Martin Goluch was the tubeset knitter. Anyway, I assume it is a hammergun as there seem to be an ample number of Ferlach hammerguns with the Goluch name. Then for some reason in November of 1940 it proofed under repair at a German, or German occupied if the additional Ferlach stamp was for the 1940 effort, proof facility. One stamp this is absent in the image is the weight of the tubeset. It is highly possible that Marcus/Markus Ogris sourced Carl Goluch of Linz for this example.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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There is another set of numbers on the rib ahead of the forearm hook 7136.12.15'8. 8'4 I have used the apostrophy for their raised decimal point (assuming that is what it is). It is a hammer gun. I thought the 12.1 gM.G. following the 9.3x72 meant 12.1 gram metal jacket bullet as the service load.

Thanks Raimey.

This is a cape gun. It is a 16gauge with 65mm chambers and a 9.3x72R

Should be a fun deer gun

Mike

Sam, the 9'3x72.12'1 gMG would be as you say for proof with a 12.1 gram Metal jacketed bullet. Difficult to see the small g. It would pair with the Eagle over I/J(repair), Eagle over N(Nitro), 1140 & Escutcheon of Carinthia to form the basis of reproof effort in Ferlach under the June 1st, 1939 German prooflaw. That would explain why it has 2 Ferlach crowned shields which typically note experiencing 2nd proof. So the preliminary datastring 7136.12.15'8.8'4 would have been early in 1912 with the 15.8mm and 8.4mm noting the diameter at the 1st pass. What are the stamps on the water table? And where is the weight stamp for the tubeset?

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Raimey
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15.8mm or 15.9mm would convert to a bore dia of .622"-.626" which seem mighty small for a 16ga. A nominal 16ga bore of .662" converts to 16.8mm. Might this number be the muzzle diameter of a tightly choked 16ga? 15.9mm is actually about dead on for 19ga.

I forgot to add the 16/65 stamp to the 1940 German lot of marks. The 9.3mm and 15.9mm stamps are for the final pass in 1912 and I'm fairly sure in the Austro-Hungarian proof facilities that for tubes with constriction(Nicht f�r Kugel), like the Germans, the measurement would have been taken at 22cm. For cylinder bore it was taken at the muzzle. I guess a very tight 16 bore. On the reproof of the rifled tube, I would venture a guess that the chambering wasn't the normalized version so the chamber was altered a bit and then sent to experience Nitro proof. Doesn't seem to be any variation in the diameter.

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Raimey
rse

Rainey,

I don't find any other number sets. The rifle side of the water table has the crown over shield mark for the second proof firing and the eagle over J and over N have been added. On the left or shotgun side is the serial number 774 and the letters MJ(initials?). From what little I have read on the subject, if the gun had not originally been nitro proofed, then both barrels would require reproof but with no reproof marks on the shotgun side it makes me wonder. The only marks I can find that might (just barely) indicate a repair are two indentations on the forearm hook that look like hardness tests. One can be seen on the photo above. I have given thought to doing some deer hunting with this someday and have fired a number or pyrodex loads through the rifle side. Sadly, someone in the past had the shotgun chamber lengthened to 2 3/4 and the barrel is rather thin so I have not yet ventured into that realm.

Regards...

later...I revisited the shot barrel and the muzzle (choke) is indeed 15.9mm or about .625". The bore a little ways in opens to more than .655" so is closer to standard.

There were several case lengths for the 9.3 so maybe the rifle was originally shorter than a 9.3x72.

True, the shot tube would still be for black powder, or black powder pressures. I would stick with the 65mm on the shot cartridges and a load that would replicate similar black powder pressures of the time. As far as I know and as long as there wasn't any alteration, previous proof efforts under the proof law at the time are still honoured. So I think the scattergun tube was just inspected and a few measurements were taken.

I would think the Ferlach proof facility still has the ledgers.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

2-piper may just have a point. I've trudged back thru the Ferlach proof rules and it appears they closely mimic the Belgian rules. The 1st steps of the Ferlach rules were to visually inspect the tube, verify calibre, stamp calibre as well as the proofhouse control number(datastring) and last the act of proof itself. I can't find anywhere where the bore diameter measurement was taken. It wasn't until July 11th, 1893 that the Belgian rules specified that the bore measurement was to be taken at 8.6(6) inches. Hopefully Peter will have some insight here. It would seem that many of the 16 bores are stamped in the 15.9 to 16.2 range with the muzzle diameters closely following the last pass diameter stamp. The few 12 bores I've seen were in the range of 17.2 to 17.8mm. So if any have an Austro-Hungarian sporting arm, I'd be interested in your muzzle diameters and stamps just forward of the flats.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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