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Recently I purchased an 8 Ga W Wellington side-lever center fire. I understand that Wm W Greener made these guns before Wm Greener
died. Any more history of Wellington Guns? Also the under
barrells are maked "ROSES PATENT"-any info on this?
Thanks
Bill McPhail

Bill,

This may be the patent referred to:

http://damascus-barrels.com/files/USA_391764_Rose_1862_IMPROVEMENT_IN_THE_QUALITY_AND_ORNAMENT.pdf

If it is, I would like to see pictures.

Pete

Thanks Pete. Will get pictures to you but may be several weeks-
have to get my kids to do that. Have a friend with two Pinfire
Wellington's with Rose Patent Barrells-will try to get pictures also. I understand the "Rose Brothers" made barrells for Greener
and some are so marked.
The rib is marked " W WELLINGTON LONDON LAMINATED STEEL"
After the ROSES PATENT mark there is "No 2" ? "No 20" -
? whether this is conected to ROSES PATENT
Thanks again
Bill

Phail,
Barrels marked on the underside,"Roses Patent"are usually barrels made under British patent #13299 of 24 October 1850,which is described as; "a new method of making twist barrels by machinery"This likely the basis for the U.S.patent refered to by Pete.
Rose was in business in both Halesowen [In the so called black country/Victorian Industrial Midlands]and Birmingham from 1841 to circa 1900.Rose,s also held other patents for forming barrels from, mild steel sheet,wrought iron and cast steel.
Records for the era that this gun was made do not show a gunmaker named W.Wellington! Could this be an example of the spurious guns that so enraged William Wellington Greener? Or is it perhaps just another example of a Hardware store selling Birmingham guns, engraved with their name? I look forward to other opinions.