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Hi This is my uncle's gun. Pics on imgur The gun has always been a bit of a mystery for him. What can you tell me about the gun? What does the S on the butt and barrels means? The numbers (3719) on the top of the gun ? The serial numbers (11812)? Etc. etc. What is the value of such a gun? In advance I want to thank you for you answer. Best regards Leif
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I'd say the 3719 is the inhouse number of the O. Geyger firm in Berlin who sourced the sporting arm from the talented pool of craftsmen of Suhl between 1912 & 1922 with the encircled GS being the tube knitter. One sees the encircled GS on the tubes of many of the Berlin offerings and I hope Baumgarten chimes in to remind me of the ones we've seen recently. Lovely scattergun with hidden, square Greener crossbolt and typical Geyger fences. Many times the inhouse number will be on both sides of the water table. The 11812 is the serial number of the Suhl craftsman where O. Geyger placed the order for the sporting longarm. If you mean the "Crown" over "S" on the tubes, then that notes the tubes were proofed/proved for shot. The tubes are also stamped with the "Sl", being a unknown tube source but the latest preponderance of evidence points to a Belgian tube forge source. The "Sl" seems to be more common on Belgian retailed sporting weapons and my 1st thought is that sourcing from a Belgian tube forge source just increased the profit margins. It is possible that Geyger arranged the transfer of components to Suhl and then had the most apt fellas to file, assemble, etc. I wouldn't doubt among O. Geyger collectors it would realize over $4k U.S. of A.
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Gunver,
Your uncle has a very nice high condition shotgun. If the bores are in the same condition as the rest of the gun I would say Raimey's estimate is about what the right guy would pay for it. I believe a Franz W. Kessler 12 ga in minty condition went for a little over that a while back but then again the Kessler had a few other bells and whistles. If you're uncle is looking to sell it for that price he would have to find that "right guy".
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Buchseman
Last edited by Buchseman; 12/23/11 06:14 PM.
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When they are that minty, it is almost a steal compared to what it would cost today to replicate it. Thanks for posting! Steve
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One sees the O. Geyger number atop many of his examples and it is possible that he contributed some effort, but it would have been in the area of adornment, if any. There's an O/U DR Geyger peddled on this page along with some unbelievable examples out of Suhl, which J. Novonty also sourced:
http://www.feine-jagdwaffen.de/cms/index.php?id=13,0,0,1,0,0
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Ludwig Schiwy more than likely sourced from the same craftsmen as O. Geyger
Imm. Meffert self opener(Greener sourced???)
Miller & Val. Greiß Muschelverschluß/Stabilverschluß/Idealverschluß
J.J. Reeb - possibly home grown example
Sempert & Krieghoff on Jäger's patent
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Raimey
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I'll second what Steve had to say.
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With the similarities, it is possible that O. Geyger placed his orders thru Ludwig Schiwy, as he was well connected in the sporting weapons category.
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Raimey
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I thank you all for your reply's.
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Leif
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 http://www.gunsinternational.com/O-Geyger-12-Gauge-w-29-Barrel.cfm?gun_id=100222362Interesting O. Geyger(can't really tell if & Company is there) #606 as found forward of the toplever and a "1" on each side of the water table. So I wonder if #606 was the beginning of the odd/unique number stamped on each side of the water table and on the aft barrel lug? Maybe Louis Kelber tubes?     Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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