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That looks like 100% Ithaca factory work to me, just the wood is not of the style it would have started with in 1926. In the picture the light colored line made me think it was this style recoil pad --



as opposed to the original style brought out in 1931-32 --

So, I decided to pull the stock on this Super 10 to check its serial number. That wasn't necessary; I discovered the s/n is stamped in the trigger guard tang inlet. Stock number matches the frame serial number, and is stamped "43417x RF".

Serial number on the forend wood is shown, also with the "RF" suffix. More pics are included here, of the forend iron and the beavertail.

I forgot to add in my earlier posts that this NID Super 10 has twin ivories; mid bead is exactly at 16" on its 32" barerls. Also that the gun came out of the Finger Lakes country of western NY. Possibly the gun was assembled later than the frame s/n would indicate, or it may have been owned by a factory employee who had it done up with the later style wood and pad in the 30's? Frank

Frank,

I would certainly have expected that that wood would be serial numbered. I'm sure it is factory work. Your scenerio is certainly plausable. Can you humor me with a couple more pictures of the forearm latching. Over time, Ithaca used several different forearm fastenings on the NID. Early on they used a Deeley forearm lever on both extractor and ejector forearms with the two hooks that interlocked, like an Ansley H. Fox forearm. Pretty quickly they added a springloaded plunger in the forearm to bear against the back of the forearm loop and keep the forearm tight to the hinge. Circa 1935 they revised their forearm fastenings and went to "Baker style" J-spring on the extractor forearms. On the ejector forearms, they used the "Baker style" J-spring along with a Deeley lever actuated tilting block latch like a Parker Bros. or Philadelphia Arms Co. forearm latch. Is that Super-Ten an extractor gun? I've never examined a gun with the longer post 1935 beavertail that wasn't an ejector gun.

Dave

The R6 stamped in the FE wood is a sure indication that this gun was back in the factory for some work, probably restocked, etc. Very nice gun and all factory work.

My Uncle Kennie gave me a plain jane one back in the late 50's, just after I got out of the service. Kennie owned a bunch of rice ground up by Colusa California, I was in Palo Alto going to school, so every weekend was off to waterfowl on "The rice ranch". Mag 10 loads could be purchased from Stanford sport shop, with my employee discount, so they were affordable. I shot that gun a lot, read everything Askins and Elmer wrote about them, and verified it every legal weekend. Gun got a lot of use on the San Francisco Bay as well, with my Dad in his scull boat. When my cousin Keith came back from Nam, he insisted I give it back, Kennie having passed by then, I had no choice but to do so.I imagine it ended up in some central valley pawnshop, traded for booze money...What a gun!

Thanks Dave, Walt and others. I had some time this morning and I'm happy to oblige with more photos.

This is an extractor gun; here's a pic of the inside of the forend. It has a typical Deeley type latch, and I can see the end of a wire spring inside (latch spring), not a flat spring as on the A H Fox design. Barrel loop is the typical type with one latch engagement surface.



Barrels have the SB&Co stamping.... Sanderson Bros & Co, with a mill in Syracuse as I understand it. Of course both barrels are choked "4".



Additional pics of the recoil pad. The stock varnish is still over most of the off-white pad base. It would appear the pad was a factory installation when the stock was made/finished. At least, that's my take on it. Frank

Thank you. All the pads on my NIDs and a Lefever A-Grade built between 1933 and 1941 have "PAT APPL"D FOR" --



and the black hard rubber base --



Whatever history we want to conjure together for it, that is a wonderful old Super-Ten and a great find.

Thanks again Dave. One last comment and I have to get off to work. Gun stock measures 14" LOP with only 2-1/2" of drop. I don't know how that drop compares with typical Super 10's, but she sure comes up nice, and smoked the clays when we were out the other day. Frank.

I checked the serial number on my 32" field..it is 500874

Mine is 500,884 ten numbers from yours.