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Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? #234232 07/03/11 05:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 185 Dubbo NSW Roy Australia OP Sidelock
OP Roy Australia Sidelock Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 185 Dubbo NSW	Hi There I bought a case of 16g 1oz target shells to run through my 16g. They are 2 and 3/4 length. Problem is, my very well made but old shotty does not give any indication of chamber size. There are no stampings on the flats or the receiver. I dont have gear for measuring chambers, how else can I work it out? I suspect the gun is late 1800's vintage. What is it about these old guns that draws us in? www.firearms4sale.com.au

Re: Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? Roy Australia #234238 07/03/11 06:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,572 Likes: 165 Iowa L. Brown Sidelock
L. Brown Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,572 Likes: 165 Iowa	Unless the chambers have been lengthened (which would not help solve your dilemma), they're almost certainly 65mm/ 2 1/2" on a gun of that vintage. The problem with most 2 3/4" factory loads in short-chambered guns is not so much the length of the case, but rather the fact that they're loaded to higher pressure standards than the shells for which older, short-chambered guns were proofed. I'd proceed with extreme caution.

Re: Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? L. Brown #234239 07/03/11 07:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 185 Dubbo NSW Roy Australia OP Sidelock
OP Roy Australia Sidelock Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 185 Dubbo NSW	Originally Posted By: L. Brown Unless the chambers have been lengthened (which would not help solve your dilemma), they're almost certainly 65mm/ 2 1/2" on a gun of that vintage. The problem with most 2 3/4" factory loads in short-chambered guns is not so much the length of the case, but rather the fact that they're loaded to higher pressure standards than the shells for which older, short-chambered guns were proofed. I'd proceed with extreme caution. Yeah, I half suspected that would be the case. I might get a gunsmith to take a look at the chamber length.... Cheers. What is it about these old guns that draws us in? www.firearms4sale.com.au

Re: Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? Roy Australia #234240 07/03/11 07:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 185 Dubbo NSW Roy Australia OP Sidelock
OP Roy Australia Sidelock Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 185 Dubbo NSW	Chamber length and strength....... What is it about these old guns that draws us in? www.firearms4sale.com.au

Re: Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? Roy Australia #234244 07/03/11 07:29 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 7,438 Likes: 1 Arizona James M Sidelock
James M Sidelock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 7,438 Likes: 1 Arizona	Take an old credit card and cut a strip the exact width of the chamber. Insert this strip until it won't go any further. Mark the remaining portion of the strip. Measure the part that went into the chamber up to the mark and that will give you the chamber length. Jim The 2nd Amendment IS an unalienable right.

Re: Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? Roy Australia #234246 07/03/11 08:04 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,768 Likes: 115 Derbyshire, England lagopus Sidelock
lagopus Sidelock Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,768 Likes: 115 Derbyshire, England	If it doesn't say anything then 10 to 1 it has 2 1/2" chambers and intended for black powder. Lagopus.....

Re: Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? Roy Australia #234259 07/03/11 10:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,758 Likes: 460 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,758 Likes: 460 AZ but dreaming of KS	This works also http://www.lcsmith.org/faq/chamlgth.html I'd be much more concerned about wall thickness. https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? Roy Australia #234297 07/03/11 04:14 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,696 Likes: 226 Amarillo, Texas skeettx Sidelock
skeettx Sidelock Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,696 Likes: 226 Amarillo, Texas	Look here http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10742&highlight=marker or you can use a lathe and turn a mandrel to .728 Mike Last edited by skeettx; 07/03/11 04:17 PM. USAF RET 1971-95

Re: Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? Roy Australia #234319 07/03/11 07:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 683 Watkinsville, GA Genelang Sidelock
Genelang Sidelock Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 683 Watkinsville, GA	A nice old gun. The price difference in 2.5 and 2.75 isn't all that great.

Re: Schmidt and Habermann 16g sxs no stamps - chamber? Roy Australia #235303 07/12/11 08:31 AM
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 3 Paul Tummers Boxlock
Paul Tummers Boxlock Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 3	Those old guns had different tube contours as the modern ones very often; they were more slender and diameter became smaller very short after the chamber cone. Apart from the fact, this gun is proofed for B-P loads, there is a real risk that the thickness of the barrels will be very thin when the gun has been altered to the 2 3/4 chambering. It is a very nice gun you have there, do not take any risk with it!

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