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On this type of thread we normally hear that they stand behind the gun and will fix anything. So what! The percentage of returns is too high. I don't want to spend my time shipping guns to be fixed. It costs a lot like eighbore says and then you cannot use it until it gets back. Bummer!

However, weren't a number on this board making the same statements about Ruger doubles and the number of returns on those? I don't have a lot of experience with Turkish guns, except for the Yildiz O/U imported by Academy Sports. We have been using these O/U's in our 4-H shooting sports club program with thousands of rounds in skeet, trap and sporting clays with no problems whatsoever. Jim Haynes

It depends on how it balances. The Valier that I handled did not have, in my opinion the proper balance. The AyA next to it did, but looked like it was checkered by one of Jim Haynes' 4-H kids. I like Rabbits' advice, "fondle before you Buy". The real secret is to buy a gun that gives you the most for your money. Sometimes you can pick up used shotguns like a Browning pigeon grade Superposed for the same cost as a brand new Valier.

Brassmonkey:

I've posted before on another thread about the quality of Turkish guns. I did "fondle before I bought" (actually traded for one of the cheaper guns-a 20 ga Khan o/u). It is well balanced and has the kind of lines and wood that I like, simple and clean. And, it shoots to point of aim. I was in Turkey only six months ago and visited w/ several gun dealers in Izmir, the second largest city. They had never even heard of Khan. One dealer opined that Huglu and Sarsilmaz stood above the rest for quality, because they used European instead of Turkish steel.

When one of the ejectors broke on this gun after <1000 rounds of trap, I had nothing but trouble getting senior management of the manufacturer to finally send me a new part, in the white. The action parts on this gun are soft, brittle and cast. While casting is not inherently an inferior process, it is cheaper, as is the labor in Turkey. FYI, dealer prices in Turkey for Huglu guns are 1/2 price of USD, if you are paying in lira. I still enjoy and shoot my Khan as often as I shoot one of my Ithacas or Brownings. If it works, and you like it, then shoot it.

We have some of those very nice Turkish rugs on the floor and on the wall. Like guns, though, you need to do your homework.

I have both a chinese "Persian" rug and a Iranian "Persian" rug. Frankly, I like the chinese made one better. Both have those little wool/silk bugs that live in there. Anyone have a proven method of killing these bugs and their larve? (without burning or bleaching the rug out).

With regard to the Turk guns, "there's a seat for every ass, and an ass for every seat" seems to apply. Not everyone can afford or wants to pay for quality and some just don't know the difference. So, they need/want choices. It just isn't my choice to buy Turk guns. Too many other much better choices in the price range of a Valier.

Ditto, Chuck! Chops