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If I wish to sell a gun to a friend and we both go to an FFL to do the transfer the rules have been complied with and there is no problem. Right?
If I wish to sell a gun to a friend who lives in another state and I ship the gun to an FFL near him is there an issue? Is this any different than the first scenario?
Why do some FFLs refuse to take a shipment from an non FFL? Is it illegal for a non FFL to ship a gun to an FFL?
What does the law say about this and where can I find it written?

Thanks for the help.

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"Why do some FFLs refuse to take a shipment from an non FFL? Is it illegal for a non FFL to ship a gun to an FFL?
What does the law say about this and where can I find it written?"

My understanding is that some FFL holders are leery of doing this because if the firearm ever proves to previously have been stolen or used in crime the burden of explaining its acquisition would then fall on them. If a firearm is shipped to them from another FFL holder it takes them off the hook.
I don't believe you'll find this in any published information from the BATFE.
N.B. When the gun club I belong to takes any firearms in trade the serial nos. are reported to the police agencies to ensure that they are not stolen. I believe the pawn shops adhere to this procedure as well.
Jim

this should tell you what you need/want to know

http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.aspx?faqid=1118


HTH

Dr.WtS

"Why do some FFLs refuse to take a shipment from an non FFL? Is it illegal for a non FFL to ship a gun to an FFL?"

Because they are ignorant to read the rules and make them up.The other one some FFL's make up is you must send a drivers license with the gun.If you stole the gun and sold it do they really think they would get "your" drivers license?

"If I wish to sell a gun to a friend and we both go to an FFL to do the transfer the rules have been complied with and there is no problem. Right?"

Not sure about Kalif but for most states in the US there is no need to have any FFL involved for sale between two residents (as long as neither are felons or prohibited from owning a gun).

FTF transfers in CA still require an FFL, even between family members. It's a crock, but it's the law.

Yeah, it is a crock, and unless the person or family member you are transferring to is an out and out criminal, to hell with it.
"Don't ask, don't tell" and even if they do ask, DON'T TELL!
Take the gun down to it's component parts(if possible) and ship each part in separate packages.
Of course the "hand wringers of American" would never defy the lordly ATF!

A non licensed person my not ship a firearm out of state to a non licensee. The receiver is the part that is considered the firearm.

There is no restrictions that a licensee can not accept a firearms from a non-licensee from another state. The dealer sets his own rules on this.

Just like when I send a gun to another dealer, most all want a copy of my ffl. Its not required by law, but thy want it anyway. Only the shipper needs to have a copy prior to sending.

As far as Don saying about sending it in separate prices to an out of state resident, thats against federal law.

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John Boyd

An individual can certainly send a gun to an FFL. You couldnt send them a gun for repair otherwise. Perhaps when an FFL says they won't accept a gun they should be asked if they could fix one for you and how you would get it to them since they don't accept shipments? If he tells you to go through another FFL, remind him that perhaps that FFL could fix it instead? The problem is the mistrust the Government has in its citzens and the return of same from us. This is one of the things many liberals choose to ignore because they fear us too because were not as afraid of our rights as they are theirs. Sort of like conservative and their reaction to freedom of speech, at times. FFLs are trying to protect themselves from a government ready to throw blame on them rather than do the right thing. I like to say "Life isn't fair, but people are supposed to be." Unfortunatly most of our problems with each other are that we have gone so far the wrong way many of us wouldnt know "fair" if we were slapped in the face by it, and deserved it.

I believe the reason that some FFL's require shipment from another FFL is in the case of a return. Some FFL's believe they have to ship back to an FFL even though they may be returning a gun to its' owner. Ignorance of the law.

Let's see ATF stands for Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. What I'd like to know is where does the government get off lumping firearms with alcohol and tobacco. I really see absolutely know connection and am insulted by it. Since when is a tool a human vice? What do firearms have to do with drinking and smoking?
Steve