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A vendor website that I visit occasionally (I have no financial or personal interest in it) has several interesting rifles for sale. It is www.firearmseller.com.

The ones that I found interesting were a V.Gipson barrelled 1917 Enfield varmint rifle in .219 Wasp with good workmanship of its period and a Litschert 20x scope, a .244 sporter on a WWI Mauser action and marked "M.S. Albuquerque" (Who dat?) with a Lyman Targetspot, and an Oberndorf commercial carbine in an oddly-marked caliber "6.5 K.P." Is this the same as the 6.5x54 Kurz cartridge? Does this have the extra-short action that these ctgs. were developed for? I've seen a Stoeger-marked rifle like this, but in .250-3000, long ago.

Enfield reminds me a bit of P.O. Ackley's work. The Mauser .244 seems to me to be a run-of-the mill product of its age. "Custom" but not especially "Fine".
The Oberndorf is a neat little rifle; a bit (OK, a mountain made of thousands of bits) above my price range.

Vendor does good pix; thought you might like to have a gander.

Thanks Mike
I like the Obendorf also but for that kind of money i would rather have a Manlicher Schoenauer.
Tom

The Oberndorf Mauser "looks" like a Kurz action, not a Standard length but that could just be distortion in the photos. Best way to tell is to have the seller provide the measurement between the trigger guard screws (7.835" for a standard length action, 7.225" for a Kurz). If it is a genuine K action rifle (not an S as advertised), then "6.5 K.P." is probably the abbreviation for "6.5mm Kurz Patrone" (Short Cartridge) referring to the Mauser 6.5x54 cartridge, which is not the same as the more common 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenauer round.

Looks like a nice rifle, by the way. I recently spoke with a custom gunmaker in eastern Idaho who specializes in modifying small ring Mexican Mauser actions to build replica Oberndorf Kurz actions. Various steps include shortening overall length, filling the thumb slot, welding on front and rear square bridges, modifying the triggerguard for a hinged floorplate, and installing a new bolt handle. Not cheap for sure, but that's about the only way to get a buildable K action, short of destroying a collectible Oberndorf rifle (and risking eternal damnation).

Best Regards,
Peconga in Boise, Idaho

Peconga, who is the smith you're referring to?



thanks,

Rob

I was going to build a small mauser action into a manlicher carbine in late 60s. gunsmith talked me out of it and got for me a 600 Remington 350 mag.barreled action for $80. Cheeper and better than anything the Mauser could have been.
You should see what a 148gr hp. pistol bullet does to a groundhog when it leavs the muzzel close to 3000fps. 250gr. factory will drop anything on this continent out to 200yds.I'm sure glad i wound up with the remington. Recoil is fierce.
I traded the gun to my brother for a luger then traded the luger for a 1960 BMW R69 motorcycle which I still have. Recently retrieved 600 carbine from brother and refinished the stock with a good recoil pad. It is home to stay now.
Tom

yeah, Tom, I'd rather have the MS at that price, too. And 6.5x54MS ammo is hard enough to get, let alone this old job! (I assume you'd have to MAKE the 6.5x54K cases.)

Look what I found poking around. If this were a full stock carbine I'd have to part with something. This is 4x the mauser at 1/2 the price. Wonder if that tang sight came from factory?
Tom
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=168359823

Miscellaneious responses:

1) For that kind of money ($4500) you could have three or four vintage Mannlicher-Schoenauers.

2) Parent cartridge for the 6.5x54 Mauser was the 7x57, which was also parent to half the sporting rifle ammunition made in the last century, so suitable brass for conversion would not be a problem. Add dies and standard reloading components and you're in business. Ballistically, it should be very similar to the 6.5x55 Swedish or .260 Remington (6.5x51).

3) The gunsmith to whom I referred earlier is Bruce Preheim of B&B Guns & Pawn in Rexburg, Idaho. Of course Gary Goudy and many other custom gunmakers have done similar work over the years, with varying degrees of quality.

Cheers,
Peconga in Boise, Idaho

I have to ask, why would they fill the thumb slot?

some late std length ober sporters did not have slot

do not know about shorties