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Pardon the lack of technical terminology; are there terms to differentiate between a plain strap-type trigger guard (like one sees on a Nitro Special, Stevens 311, et al) and one with the little curlicue wrap-around thingy behind the triggers like one sees on better guns?
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It seems like there should be a "proper" term for this doesn't it?
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It's the "quirk". Why? Lacuna of terminology so I named it. Oddly, the pre-NID Ithaca doubles (Flues, Minier) didn't have the curlicue (chingus, thingabob also good). I had an NID which I'm almost certain had a guard from an older Ithaca gun.
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Couple more thoughts? Is it purely a matter of line and decoration? Reminds of wrought iron work and tendrels on vines BUT I've noticed that it's pretty easy to wedge a cleaning rag right where the guard without a "curlicue" enters the mortise (try this on a Flusie or old Savage 23 to see what I mean). I know a member on this bd. welded the ittybit on a guard he fabricated. How was it done traditionally? A little "leaf" of steel laid on to the guard and forge-welded?
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On the Fox guns and I suspect many others, it was split off from the tang with a saw orf chisle. Welding was just easier.
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Something that could be done hot with a hardy chisel, Chuck? Assume sawing done cold.
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The three parts are the: Bow, return and grip rail.
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does this mean the return is the name we are looking for ?
assuming:
the bow is the big part the trigger(s) and finger goes in
the grip rail is inletted into the grip for the most part
that leaves the return for the return ?
is this British, Italian, American or universal terminology
sometimes i make a box of rocks look pretty bright,
unfortunately
maybe we all need to buy your latest book ... I didn't find
the answer in Fine Gunmaking Double Shotguns or Custom Rifles in Black & White thou it might be there ...
I get drooling over the pics and lose my place
thanks again for the continuing education
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Fine Gunmaking: Double Shotguns Pg. 141 shows a photo of fabricating a shotgun trigger guard.
Double Guns and Custom Gunmaking Pg. 123 Fabricating a trigger guard by TIG welding.
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