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Win. model 12, 16 gauge 30 mod choked, field grade short corncob, no rib, good buttplate, great condition but not mint, 1,500K serial range. Know what BB says: What would you give/have you given? TIAs.
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I've seen them in like condition in this area for about the same price as Alder suggests.
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I too think AA hit it real close to the mark, for a good shape shooter. To bring much over that, it would need some other feature or features. The 30" bbl is nice, if you want a longish bbl., but otherwise it simply makes for a longer gun, not always advantageous .. its application dependent. Is the bbl nickel steel? I'm assuming 2&3/4" chamber and longer port opening for same, otherwise its short shells or rechamber & modification to the port opening. I sometimes shoot a short chambered one simply because, but its mostly because the funky buttstock with its very open and smallish pistol-grip comes up nicely in the field and I don't mind shooting a few of the old papers I have on hand for an ocassional day afield. If I were gonna use it much, I'd spring for the more modern short shells. For the gun you are describing, $275~$325 is about where I'd wanna buy, but you might have to pay as much as $425 to get one today that is a plain field grade that has not been cycled to death and still retains good blue and finish and no serious flaws. That's just my opinion. A 2&9/16" chambered gun should be less, but that does not automatically mean it will be the case. If it was a short gun that got modified, that hurts originality[=<$], so works good to your advantage. The economics to modify one simply don't work, but it does make them less sensitive to shell length and that can be advantageous if you don't have access to short ones. Sorry for the ramble. Did you buy it? Hey, how many really clean 16ga. mod 12 field guns are out there today? Fifty bucks won't take you to the movies, if there was even one worth seeing. Perspective matters & fun is time limited, unfortunately. I'da sent this diatribe PM, Jack, but I'm SOL w/that at the moment still.
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A million five Model 12 would not have the "open and smallish" pistol grip, nickel steel barrel, nor would it be equipped with short chamber. It will have the modern style tight pistol grip and 2 3/4 inch chamber suitable for all modern 16 gauge store bought shells. It will also have a Winchester Proof Steel barrel. Sounds like a nice shooting $375.00 gun in a scarce barrel length/choke combination.
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It occurs to me that everytime someone converts a 2 1/2 inch chambered 20-gauge Model 12 or a 2 9/16 inch 16-gauge Model 12 to handle 2 3/4 inch shells that is one less for collectors. The day will come when an unmolested original short chambered Model 12 will bring a premium. Maybe it is already here.
A serial number in the 1,500,xxx range would put one into 1953 and 4. The 16-gauge 30-inch modified choke barrel hadn't been listed since about 1946. Also, the fatter flat-bottomed Field Grade forearm was added to the Model 12 Field Grades in 1947, so that is the style forearm a 1953 or 4 gun should have.
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I agree with Researcher about that being a very high serial number for a 30in 16 ga barrel,....I think you could push $425 for the gun in the condition you describe [if original] without being out of line...I sold a 1650000 range 16ga 28in mod. with the later extended grooved forend for $350 last year but the wood was refinished....nicely done but for sure refinished..
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Even though the 16 gauge 30" modified was "offered" until after the war, it was seldom specified and is quite scarce even in earlier vintages. In a high condition gun, it would be a plus. Oddly enough, the 30" modified in 12 gauge Model 12s and Model 97s is not too hard to find.
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Have another look on my way back thru the hole in the wall.
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Jack,
Sounds like a good find.
The last 16g M-12 at the local firearm-porium (Balt. area)
was tagged $375, but condition was maybe 50%, at best.
I think they sold a ribbed one for less, but it was rough.
(They just got in 2 more, 20 & 12, Pidgeon Gr; priced accordingly.)
Your M-12s fit pretty well, right ? . . .
Might look good under the tree.
Best of luck,
Tom
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