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#174792 01/18/10 12:33 AM
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Picked up a new drillings today. Supposed to be a Hubertus, but no makers name stamp. Several proof marks... no problem there. Appears to be an FH (Italic) stamped into the barrel and on the top of the barrel near the breach, there appears to be a stamp of two people in a circle with a 4-0 (maybe A-0 and the 0) underneath. The same stamp is on the receiver. 1037 is stamped on both the barrel and receiver, as well as 37 stamped onto the handguard spring. Appreciate any insight into the drillings... 16X16X9.3X72. Will send pictures later.

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Yeah, post some pics. It doesn't ring a bell yet.

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Here's a link to the pictures

http://www.seehere.com/dpkeys/drilling

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Hello keysdp,
FH could mean Friedrich Heym; but Raimey is more into initals, and will doubtlessly tell you more.
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If the serial number is to be considered, it would hint toward a small firm but I'm curious how the term "Hubertus" of Immanuel Meffert surfaced. Is it a Meffert action and could you post a pic of the action? When I see the two craftsmen together in the oval it makes me think of the knife maker brother's Henkels, but they have nothing to do with it. So next I'd guess brothers Helfricht,who were active during WWI but I haven't found a Helfricht with the 1st initial of "F."; therefore, I'd turn to Helfricht & Fischer of Zella Saint Blasii who founded their firm in 1859. The company continued at least to the beginning of WWII and I'd guess survived to the end. There were probably at least 1/2 dozen Helfricht craftsmen in Zella Saint Blasii but they were mainly concerned with pistols, and that would have been Kuno Helfricht(note shape of "H" on grips - http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20allemande/artisan%20g%20h/a%20helfriect%20gb.htm ) during the post 1912 period when this example was made. Is there an intertwined "ZM" stamp anywhere on the flats?

I too thought of Heym but his trademark was a hunter with a backpack and what looks to be a Bracco. And I haven't seen a Helfricht & Fishcher trademark until now, that is if that is what it is and I can't account for the "A - G" unless it denotes a corporation like one would see on Krupp steel tubes " Fried. Krupp, A.G.". The rifled tube is of Krupp steel and was made at the Schilling hammerforge. Just guessing, but I'd say one of the craftsmen at Helfricht & Fishcher performed the fitting. Now there were other "F.H." craftsmen such as Franz Häusser of Suhl and others but I believe the "F.H." to be a company stamp.

What's the stamp right above/below the "F.H."?



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Thanks Raimey. I posted more pictures. No initials on the flats. There are some similarities to photos of Heym drillings.

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Sent off an email to Heym (to see if the pics and markings ring a bell) and GGCA to see if they can help.

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I hope they solve the puzzle for you so keep us informed.








I could be easily mistaken, but I just don't see a Heym, as they usually tout "D.R.P." on their A&D drillings, which sometimes sport 3 triggers, and the safety sometimes/usually has a button in the center. On a no-name drilling, my 1st thought would be E. Schmidt & Habermann, which would have "Original-Anson & Deeley-Drilling", but I don't think so as it looks more like a Simson Model 36. Where is the rifling cocking indicator and is it a pop-up rifle sight?

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It does have a pop up rear sight blade, but no peep sight like some of my other drillings. I haven't been able to find the loaded rifle indicator.

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May be a stocker's initial "S" by the pistolgrip cap.



Is Hubertus stamped on it anywhere? And does a cocking indicator appear when the selector is on Kugel/ball? Also does it have a separate ball extractor? It also sort of favors a F.W. Kessler Model 12. Helfricht & Fischer could have sourced their frame from another maker.

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